KB5077181 was released about a month ago as part of the February Patch Tuesday rollout. When the update first arrived, users reported a wide range of problems, including boot loops, login errors, and installation issues.

Microsoft has now acknowledged another problem linked to the same update. Some affected users see the message “C:\ is not accessible – Access denied” when trying to open the system drive.

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    9 hours ago

    A lot of people didnt read the issue. This was an issue with the samsung connect app.

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    You don’t need C:\. All your data should be in the 365 cloud anyway. Storing files locally in C:\ leads to antipatterns like not paying Microsoft for 365 access (a.k.a “Software Piracy”)

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    Solution: install linux

    Just like I have been calling macOS “NonfreeBSD” I will now be calling Windows 11 “Slop_OS”

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    18 hours ago

    This should be yet another opportunity for Windows refugees to come to the Kingdom of Torvalds.

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    Ugh… I’m so tired of “microslop” and “AI slop”.

    I’m not defending Microsoft in any way, but they were releasing buggy updates long before the rise of AI.

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      You know what’s going on inside the large companies that are hoping to cash in on the AI thing? All workers are being pushed to use AI and goals are set that targets x% of all code written be AI-generated.

      And AI agents are deceptively bad at what they do. They are like the djinn: they will grant the word of your request but not the spirit. Eg they love to use helper functions but won’t necessarily reuse helper functions instead of writing new copies each time it needs one.

      Here’s a test that will show that, with all the fancy advancements they’ve made, they are still just advanced text predictors: pick a task and have an AI start that task and then develop it over several prompts, test and debug it (debug via LLM still). Now ask the LLM to analyse the code it just generated. It will have a lot of notes.

      An entity using intelligence would use the same approach to write the code as it does to analyze it. Not so for an LLM, which is just predicting tokens with a giant context window. There is no thought pattern behind it, even when it predicts a “thinking process” before it can act. It just fits your prompt into the best fit out of all the public git depots it was trained on, from commit notes and diffs, bug reports and discussions, stack exchange exchanges, and the like, which I’d argue is all biased towards amateur and beginner programming rather than expert-level. Plus it includes other AI-generated code now.

      So yeah, MS did introduce bugs in the past, even some pretty big ones (it was my original reason for holding back on updates, at least until the enshitification really kicked in), but now they are pushing what is pretty much a subtle bug generator on the whole company so it’s going to get worse, but admitting it has fundamental problems will pop the AI bubble, so instead they keep trying to fix it with bandaids in the hopes that it’ll run out of problems before people decide to stop feeding it money (which still isn’t enough, but at least there is revenue).

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        You’re spot on regarding how AI operates.

        AI is stupid story time!

        I recently helped a friend with a self-hosted VPN problem. He had been using a free trial of Gemini Pro to try to fix it himself but gave up after THREE HOURS. It never tried to help him diagnose the issue, but instead kept coming up with elaborate fixes with names that suggested they were known issues, like The MTU Traffic Jam, The Packet Collision Quandary, and, my favorite, The Alpine Ridge Controller Trap. Then it would run him through an equally elaborate “fix”. When that didn’t work, it would use the failure conditions to propose a new, very serious sounding pile of bullshit and the process would repeat.

        I fixed it in about fifteen minutes, most of that time spent undoing all the unnecessary static routing, port forwarding, and driver rollbacks it had him do. The solution? He had a typo in the port number in his peer config.

        I can’t deny that LLMs are full of useful knowledge. I read through its output and all of its suggestions absolutely would have quickly and efficiently fixed their accompanying issue, even the thunderbolt/pcie bridging issue, if the real problem had been any of them. They’re just garbage at applying that information.

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      It’s because they got rid of testing and quality control. They are only doing minimal testing now in controlled environments while the world is messy.

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      I agree, but if microslop can be the downfall of microslop I will jump on the bang wagon. I think they should add more IA. Did they try live GenIA update of the user system yet ? Sound a money making idea.

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    Hmm… I should start updating my work computer since the “IT” got upgraded my pc to 11 to fix a problem that wasn’t fixed with the upgraded.

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      It’s hilarious that the issues people think Linux has, like for example the disk deleting itself, are exactly what happens on Windows lol.

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    There was a story going around back in September ago about the person whose wife used OneDrive on her phone. It had taken upon itself to copy 25+GB of data on the phone into OneDrive, despite only having the free account tier, and copying it to their Windows 11 PC. There it completely filled up its small SSD boot drive, putting it into a condition of extremely low disk space, which in made it impossible for Windows to boot. Here it is.

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      I doubt that story. I’m a linux user at home but at work I admin windows and linux systems. I can see his logic because hes thinking how I would. But windows doesnt behave like that. On linux you can fill a drive and get issues booting but windows leaves space so that even when the user drive is full the system can still create temp files needed for operation. Whatever he did trying to get around the default behavior he misconfigured something

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    I like how, once AI is invented, there is never a problem that isn’t AI related.

    Microsoft made broken shit before AI, it isn’t like they suddenly lost that capability once AI was invented.

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        I use Linux exclusively, my family’s laptops are all Linux, I self-host, etc. I’m no Microsoft fanboy, so believe me when I tell you…

        …that is a stupid name and anyone using it sound like a clown.

        AI’s use in industry is destructive to knowledge workers, the massive dump of capital in the computer hardware markets have caused massive disruption in secondary markets and the coming market crash will affect everyone in the world. There are plenty of easy arguments to be made against using AI.

        Going into a comment section and posting “Well, acktually, you mean MicroSLOP!” does none of that. It’s performative, not substantive.

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      It’s more like the old adage but extended: “To err is human, to really foul things up you need a computer, but to make an unbelievable mess you need an AI.”

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        That is certainly true and may very well be the case here.

        It could also be the case that a human developer forgot to bounds check an array and iterated out of bounds, corrupting some important kernel variable. We won’t know unless we get a postmortem.

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        That seems like an easy statement to prove. How many bugs were there before AI vs after?

        I may be wrong, but I would guess that you haven’t seen any data to back up your statement and you’re basing it on your perception based on social media posts.

        You see a lot of clickbait articles where the author highlights a specific patch note or vulnerability and tries to tie that to AI. They’re doing that to earn revenue because anti-AI posts get traffic… they’re not trying to objectively inform you about the rate of bugs in Microsoft’s products. Your perception is being skewed by selection bias.

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          I think .net is pretty good. I don’t use it, but people seem to love VS Code.

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          I don’t know about that, XP, 2000 and 7 was pretty solid.

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              Or vista lol, or windows 98 that was so bad they essentially recalled it and re-released it as a second version?

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                I used 98 as a teen, it came pre installed, what was wrong with it compared to 95? Asking out of curiosity.

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                  Man it’s been a long time but essentially 98 was the first one to allow for plug and play without drivers if I’m remembering right. That and a few other stability issues made the original crash constantly, including during the demo at a tech show. They re-released it as a second edition that fixed most of it. If you bought the computer towards 1999 they had fixed it.

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              Because it was shit.

              I never claimed that everything MS did was good

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              Reputation is such a strange phenomenon. XP was considered a disaster at launch. It took them years to repair everything that didn’t work.

              The rollout of 64 bit architecture support was so sloppy that people were holding on to old hardware so as to not have to install the x64 version of XP. The premiere of the NT kernel meant that nothing had drivers, most software wasn’t compatible yet. DirectX 9 broke half of old games compatibility. There were also two entirely different versions of the shell with dramatically different start menus. Some versions didn’t support multi core CPUs.

              Not to mention that XP actually spans three different OSs. Upgrades were just a reinstall wizard of the OS.

              It wasn’t until the end life of XP and the launch of Vista that people started to cling to XP SP2 and its reputation switched due to a mix of nostalgia and fear of the much worse launch of Vista.

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        It’s a lot easier to accept bugs when you’re not paying for it, it’s not spying on you, it lets you do what you want, and it respects your freedom.

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        It is a hell of a lot less buggy

        And the bugs that are there we are aware of. Microsoft may or may not fix severe security bugs, opting to hide the information instead because it’s better for their bottom line

        Microsoft always had been a bug riddled mess that people paid for and then they needed to pay even more to be able to get their shit still working

        Now with the AI slop apparently contributing 30% of the code, things have gone off a cliff

        So no, nobody is pretending Linux is bug-less, it’s just that Microsoft is that bad

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        The downvotes for this little nugget of truth suggest to me that linux fans are somewhat cultish.

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          Yeah, I made my comment as I am tired of fanboyism, I have daily driven Linux in the past, I was the Linux sysadmin at a major financial institution for years, Linux is awesome!

          But please don’t get arrogant and claim it is faultless, with constructive criticism it can only get better.

          Right now I am running Windows as my daily, and my work is only in Windows.

          I dailied Linux back in the 2.8 days, I remember a class mate having to manually edit the kernel source code to get his USB mobile broadband modem to work, I had modems from another brand, so I only had to run USB mode switcher to get mine working.

          I set up Fluxbox from scratch to get a fantastic UI experience on my laptop.

          I know Linux.

          I switched back to Windows for gaming, and now with W11 and gaming support for Linux, I am looking to move back to Linux.

          I am no Windows nor Linux fanboy.

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            It’s not so much Linux fanboyism as it is Windows (whatever the total polar opposite of fanboyism is)

            The only good argument for Windows is specific software compatibility. If there were equivalent solutions on both for everything, it is an absolute truth that Windows is worse.

            That is not an opinion, outside of intentionally wanting to be commercially oppressed.

            Also games access to your kernel just screams to me “I wanna have fun and don’t care about security at all, now gimme my fortnite vbux mom” in the most middle-school voice possible.

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              Also games access to your kernel just screams to me “I wanna have fun and don’t care about security at all, now gimme my fortnite vbux mom” in the most middle-school voice possible.

              Wow, how quickly people forget…

              Back in 2011, with kernel 2.8.x, gaming on Linux was nothing like it is today, it required dedication, skills and time.

              And at the time I didn’t have the energy to deal with it.