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The China-centric video sharing platform is expanding with a new international app and an English version of its website – with no identity verification (for now at least)

YouTube’s censorship has become worse than cable TV’s (in the US). I have a feeling that BiliBili will only further normalize the aggressive censorship, like TikTok did.
I mean. This is… Not worse than now, I guess?
Any entity that can take a chunk out of YouTube’s dominance is a good thing.
But I’m not going to celebrate another corp making a shamelessly monetized video site. They’re independent-ish now, yes, but for how long? It’s just a different flavor of attention gaming and enshittification in the long run.
And I’m skeptical they have the muscle to significantly displace YouTube’s iron grip on everything, even with Google tightening the screws.
Yes! We have peertube which is actually cool.
thats good news youtube was mainstream so looong that it becomes to eat itself slowly seeing some competitions maybe lead the long form video market better
I’m all for it, America needs to be reminded of what capitalism actually is.
I’ve heard of Billibilli. It’s great for pirated films and TV shows that you can’t get anywhere else.
I don’t really trust it to be much better at respecting privacy than YouTube, but at this point, I’d be surprised if it was any worse, and YouTube has been getting worse for lack of competition for over a decade now
I just downloaded it. No sign up necessary but it asks for a birthdate. (I just picked June 4 1989 randomly, ofc.)
It uses AI to translate from Chinese to your selected language. The image below shows available languages.

You don’t need to login to upvote videos. However, you not be able to comment or reply. Also, viewing comments is limited.
To create your account, you have to provide your phone number, which is an automatic “not happening” for me.
Once your phone number is “bound”, you can link your Google account for your login. This will make it easier for East-West cooperation in data mining and mass surveillance.
You can also use an email and password of your own choosing.
Overall, I can’t see me actually binding my phone number to make an account.
Anyway, here’s what my feed looked like when I opened the app and skipped account creation/login:

Some AI looking slop, of course.
Of the first dozen or so, only two seemed interesting - the Rick Roll meme history and a Brazilian explaining how to use “lá ele” in conversation. (I speak Brazilian Portuguese so this was actually very cool to see.)
Good. Seriously - enough with YouTube’s vs censorship and making predators like Jake Paul and mr beast into millionaires
Edit: Ugh… checked on bilibili and noticed he also has a channel there. The guy is like a parasite to humanity

Thank you for pointing out that shitnugget, its enough for me to know that i never will use bilis platform out of sheer principle
I mean if another competitor rises up, he’ll just create an account there too. You’re stuck with peertube pretty much
Bilibili isn’t going to be any better about censorship. It just has a slightly different list of forbidden topics.
Unless I can make A whole channel dedicated to 1989 Massacre Im not interested.
People in this thread having a normal one, predictably. Like even if (or especially if) you genuinely believe that China is the evil monster you were raised to believe, wouldn’t you be at least a little bit curious to get a window into their online culture? Don’t you want an opportunity for more interaction between Chinese and US/Western netizens?
On the one hand, Chinese companies get an unfair advantage domestically. On the other, I would love to see Google sweat.
Literally every company is given a domestic advantage in their home country? Subsidies and visibility etc in home turf is not a new concept China has invented for their products.
How many foreign films are allowed into China per year?
What is an unfair advantage?
Hell ignore that, Google helps to write us trade policies. Do people really think there’s an open free market system in America or Europe for that matter? Look at Donald Trump’s inauguration. The Peasants were kept out but all the tech bro CEOs were there. Y’all are dreaming if you think that things are fair right now. Especially if you don’t think it’s a two-way street.
Being blocked is one I think
I just dislike the traditional framing of things like “unfair” in contexts like this. It’s always been used by dominant powers to destroy any domestic capacity. In this example, if China had never put up any barriers to foreign tech, they would have none of their own at all by now.
As an American I’ve been using billibilli for a long long time as I consume a lot of Chinese media.
Billibilli is dog shit, the company is awful, the platform is cancer, and the entire thing makes YouTube and Google look like fucking saints.
Like holy fuck. I do not give one fucking flying piece of shit about china bad america good or any of that nonsense.
The fucking Chinese bullshit that people have to put up with on billibilli is outright nonsense. I just want to watch my fucking silly videos and dramas.
And all that said YouTube is ALSO dog shit with out any saving graces. It’s all fucking awful.
So… what? You’re against this becoming more accessible outside of China?
I’m not the commenter you replied to but I read their view more along these lines. That no large online video provider gives a good experience and while this is more competition for YouTube it’s kind of like comparing two piles of shit - both stink.
Which idk never used it but yeah China has its own brand of suck compared with the West. Still, I agree it’d be good to have more cultural exchange - that’s the sort of thing that over time leads to better relations between nation states and decreases the likelihood of war.
You know the older I get, the lesson of “there are no good guys” really keeps getting hammered home. This is just a reminder of that.
These reactions just seem a little overwrought to me. I’m sure everyone commenting watches plenty of YouTube, but the mere mention of a Chinese platform brings dire warnings and energetic condemnations. Like maybe it does suck, but most people here wouldn’t really know! That’s my point-- that it’s crazy to have such strong opinions about something that you have no experience with.
I get it. There’s a lot of propaganda out there (that goes both ways) about China.
For better or worse they’re going to lead the charge into the 2100s, this is the dawn of the new Chinese century and the USA is busy handing them the reins as we implode our country.
I think China is a little friendlier overall in their foreign relations and while freedom of expression is important I would not say their society as a whole is better or worse than all the rest of the world. It feels like sometimes, from what I’ve heard and seen, China is “more” free in certain aspects compared to the USA (and definitely less free in others)
What I believe is in freedom of the internet. As in everyone should be able to access it and no one should be able to police what is on it. Complete free flow of information. Reddit should exist in the state that it does and lemmy should be there to counter balance it and no nation state should be able to say “no, we only allow one of these”. This doesn’t undermine any existing legal frameworks mind you. For example: distribution of underage pornography is still a crime almost everywhere and those who operate such sites are fair game for prosecution.
I get this may be too radical of an idea for some, but I truly believe education is the key to information literacy, not censorship.
This just means rich individuals decide what people see instead of states. It doesn’t result in education.
No they don’t. If I don’t want to see what Reddit wants me to see, I just switch to Lemmy instead. Reddit cannot ban Lemmy. But if the state had censorship powers, they could ban Lemmy.
I think its the same problem with the press on TV and print form. Rich individuals can buy up all press outlets and control the narrative. Its hard (and restrictive) to broadcast on TV and print. On the internet, at least the freedom to publish and access information has a low barrier to entry. A rich individual may buy one lemmy instance, can they buy them all? Can they buy its successor? The lower barrier and less restrictive nature of the internet (or how it should be) is too fast moving for them to compete imo. All the states need to do is educate people on how to consume media correctly.
A rich individual may buy one lemmy instance, can they buy them all?
Yes, easily. Additionally, they can control the search engines which lead there or not, the commonly used platforms for code sharing so that development is more difficult, and so forth. They have an incredible advantage through economy of scale. The barrier to entry for putting any information on the internet may not be very high, but making it findable and accessible has a very high barrier, and relies on corporate-controlled platforms.
I think the better question is will they be able to buy them all. Buying implies the other party is willing to sell.
Its true that this information will be harder to access if not indexed properly, but word of mouth is a good backup for that. I didn’t find lemmy from google, someone (non corporate entity) posted a link to it somewhere. Now, that ‘somewhere’ may be corporate controlled and ban certain links but I’d argue that will just split the internet into two (a corporate side and “free” side) with little cooperation between them and I don’t think anyone will be able to keep people from either side - as long as the internet remains neutral.
I think its just too hard to completely control information unless you are a nation state (and even then).
This isn’t a new idea though, it was the “hacker” ethos of the 90s. Most nerds believed in that. But it was wrong because we do need to limit hate speech. Because racist speech is racist recruitment. And we do need to limit the influence of plutocrats and corporations on information.
I also believe neoliberalism is a failed and genocidal ideology that should similarly be banned like advocating for fascism.
Like the other commenter pointed out the other problem is the massive power imbalance. They have billions and they crush us. It doesn’t matter if something is right or wrong if billions are spend to hire the smartest sociopaths to craft an ad or PR campaign to emotionally manipulate the masses.
And the truth matters. We have a fundamental human right to reality. Constantly amplifying bullshit for revenue makes the actual flow of important information and ideas impossible.
OK?
You can already get a VPN for ingoing traffic to China and “experience” it.
I’m missing your point. I started interacting with Chinese people on XHS.
It’s not for us to decide that. CCP is literally holding Chinese hostage and even if this platform comes to the west the Chinese will never be allowed to mingle with us.
I think chinese internet is very interesting and wish China would be part of global internet one day but until autocrats change their mind it’s not happening.
Literally none of what you said is true. Chinese people regularly interact with people of other countries on the global internet. its Literally impossible not to run into Chinese netizens on any major social media site.
What is not true? The great firewall of China doesnt exist? Or that few rebels with vpns that btw are constantly hunted down and ccp even inspects packets now with AI tools I identify vpn looking traffic?
Can’t believe people justify this. You’re either a bot or a useful idiot.
You can literally just make an account on Xiaohongshu and chat with normal people in China.
I routinely swap recipes, talk about video games, new tech, swap cleaning tips, chat about restaurant recommendations and fashion. There’s a big cultural difference, sure, but Chinese people are, on the whole, incredibly friendly and hospitable and they’re curious about breaking down the myths they’ve heard about America and happy to break down the myths we’ve heard about China. We think they have a social credit system and they think a dishwasher can afford a huge “villa”. Though now that it’s opened up a bit they talk about a poverty “kill line” where if you fall below a certain income you are pretty much doomed to die. Which is exaggerated, but has some basis in reality, like most of these myths.
The one thing I think is a huge barrier is that they can’t understand why we drink cold water, even in the winter. So many conversations I’ve had have been about drinking cold water and asking “don’t you get dampness???” Honey, I’ve either never had dampess or I’ve been damp my whole life so I don’t know.
Either way, they’re just, like, people. And thanks to the magic of the internet, you can just talk to those people.
Missing my point entirely that Chinese people literally can’t do that.
Also it’s very hard to get into Chinese internet from the west too with this one exception almost everything is either geo blocked or requires Chinese id/phone number.
Cool. If they allow views while using ad-blockers I’m in.
Google is such a bully, I want china to succeed.
Well more competition is good and we really need more alternative platforms. Can they make a browser as an alternative to chrome… Or push Firefox?
Honestly not sure why more people don’t use Firefox. It’s brilliant, especially with uBlock and Sponsorblock added.
2 reasons imo.
- Chrome inertia. Everyone who’s locked into it from the days it was legitimately faster.
- Every time it gets mentioned, its supporters like to “no true Scotsman” the original project and suggest their preferred fork instead.
No true Scotsman is one of the biggest reasons open source anything struggles to catch on. Normal users never have any fucking idea what to do and everyone always just screeches forks of forks of forks and then the normal users just get paralyzed. Lol
Both the bane and blessing of anything decentralized lol.
Most people on their phones use the default browser, either Chrome or whatever Chromium-based the manufacturer includes. But otherwise it’s the browser included with the Facebook app, as some are literally locked into the Facebook-and-Youtube walled garden.
I think being the only browser with a credible stance on ad blockers will help them in the long run.
There might not be a long run if google can dictate web development enough in the short term to essentially kill off all competition.
Im gonna be honest, im glad a lot of people don’t use ad blockers, or they would come down a lot harder on ad blocking. As it is google is trying their hardest to push their authentication nonsense everywhere to lock us all in to whatever software THEY decide we are authorised to use
I use it and I install it on every family and work PC I can but the memory of the bloated Firefox that made so many originally switch to chrome is still there. I want apple to base their browser on Firefox to maybe get some traction back
lots of people don’t like the direction the company is heading
Fair point but are you seriously saying you prefer the direction Google is heading?
whataboutism? two competing companies can be bad
Yes but if you only have two choices, a kick in the nuts (google) or a flick of your ear (firefox) everytime you open your browser, it just makes sense to use the one that causes less pain. I think more people should use Linux too, Microslop have become way too orwellian and obtrusive for my liking.
The question was why more people don’t use Firefox. I answered.
Sure if you have more choices.
But you don’t. You have two choices.
Chrome/chrome based or firefox/Firefox based.
Do you want a bullet to the arm or the leg. You get one choice and your option can’t included neither.
Pick one. That’s how this works.
Yeah but if you need to use a browser are you seriously going to support Google over Mozilla?
no, but we weren’t talking about that. the topic was “why more people don’t use Firefox” I’m replying to you in Librewolf. I still don’t have to like Firefox, nor recommend it to people at this point.
Forks are also fine. But the phrasing often can come across in a way that supports chrome
What direction is that? I haven’t been keeping up, I just use the browser.
pro-AI for starters, lots of people aren’t happy with that. (this is related to the AI, but started long before then: ) their insistence on focusing on anything else but the actual browser, Firefox also occasionally changes (privacy related) settings after upgrade (Edit: as reported by users online) or when they installed extensions remotely to people’s browsers as part of some kind of promo (I believe it was Mr. Robot?).
There might be more, but this is what I can think of from the top of my head.
Edit: typos
Good.
Americans are left with such a terrible, enshittified digital information economy that we must entertain even our enemies for alternatives.
To be fair billibilli in a lot of ways is much worse then YouTube has ever been.
It’s aggressively poor as a platform for history channels. And while foreign politics are fine. Anything Chinese poltic related gets nuked from the platform aggressively.
The app is barely functional, changes for the worse more then YouTube does and basically has no way to support small creators.
It’s in no way a YouTube alternative beyond that it hosts videos.
Why is China your enemy?
I’ll be more specific. The PRC (government) is an enemy to humanity in my view.
Well because they caused a couple million to die due to covid. Not only did they lie by saying the virus wasn’t transmissible to humans, but they then let people fly internationally to spread it to the rest of the world instead of trying to quarantine the outbreak hotspots. Then they got a bunch of CCP dickriders internationally to empty the shelves in their respective western countries of all their medical supplies to ship over to China, who then made deals to sell it to poorer countries only on the condition they make a spectacle about it with big banners saying thank you china. And the US helped by funding gain of function research in the wuhan institute of virology where they kept live bats riddled with diseases and sold the bats to the wet market on the sly when they were done with the research. Millions die because a shitty country’s leaders want to save face instead of saving millions of people from a preventable death. Theres a tonne more shit they do out of the media spotlight, but they do a great job amplifying the dumb shit Trump does instead to distract from their own weasly asymmetric warfare against the west.
Competition.
As soon as I saw this news, I signed up there in order to see how it is like. I’m yet to find non-Chinese-language content, as I don’t really know Chinese. I mean, I do know from memory some very specific Chinese ideographs (given my special interests) such as maotouying (猫头鹰 lit. “Cat-headed eagle”, which is one of the words for “owl”, aside from xiao 鴞) which was, unsurprisingly, my first search in Bilibili. (I also know words and ideographs such as hong 红 red, ni hao 你好 greetings, ren 人 person/people, among others that wouldn’t suffice for me to, say, buy 500g of bread in a bakery during some trip to China, lol)
The platform quite of reminds me of xiaohongshu (Red note), including the same emoji pack.
Then I tried to search for words with Latin alphabet (e.g. “Ereshkigal” and “Pomba-gira”) and the results were nothing directly related to my search query, with Bilibili returning me a list of recommended videos based on my watch history (owl videos) instead.
One thing I liked is the lack of notifications (TikTok used to push notifications a lot) and the (momentary) lack of advertisements, maybe because there aren’t companies from my geographic region (Brazil) buying ad placement there yet.
As a Brazilian, I’m sincerely wishing to see more Chinese and nonwestern alternatives to things, including but not limited to video platforms. I’ve been boycotting YouTube for two years and counting, for example, and it would be interesting to see a Chinese alternative to it other than the westernized TikTok (which is nowhere near to Chinese-only Douyin and its likely better/educational content). And, of course, I’m also rooting for PeerTube to gain traction, because it’s native to Fediverse.
Thanks for explaining your experience, I’ll check it out once in a while to see what they have to offer.
I wonder if they are going to use advanced AI translations including voices. That would really open up their content to the west. Although much of it is probably pretty weird as far as I’ve seen (via website / GrayJay) - but so is youtube if you wander off the save paths lol.
Sincerely? I hope not, or at least it must be an opt-in thing rather than something forcefully imbued into the platform.
Languages that I don’t know may pose a language barrier to me, but at the same time there’s something magic in getting to recognize (and even trying to spell/write) certain words and symbols once I put myself into trying to figure out what’s written and how it’s written.
This is how I managed to learn (albeit imperfectly and in a fragmented manner) the ideographs I mentioned earlier, among several other languages, including the so-called “dead languages” such as Sumerian and Akkadian (e.g. whenever I see “𒆤”, I know it’s “lil” meaning wind/spirit)… And this is how I learned, to give broader examples, what a “bumat” (البومة) is in Arabic and which letters are involved in its writing, or what’s the difference between a “búho” and a “mochuelo” and a “lechuza” in Spanish, or what a “fukurou” (フクロウ) is in Japanese, or what a “chouette” is in French, or what an “oehoe” is in Dutch (especially how one was able to enfrighten two Dutch villages years ago, the cute yet fierce “terror-oehoe”), or “Eule” in German, or more symbolic words such as “lila” (לילה) “night” in Hebrew or “Лилит” as the Russian transliteration for Hebrew “לילית”… I was able to learn, or at least memorize, a ton of things across languages… Without AI.
Any kind of automatic translation, especially when AI-powered and fused into the UI, would hardly let me learn a language, because it’d bring the whole thing chewed up and translated, with no means for me to break the sentence down to its constituent words and letters/symbols and how much the surrounding context changes their meanings… not to mention how it ends up wiring our brains to expect the machine to do the reading for us, then we become dependent on machines to do what’s essentially part of being a living being (humans and whatnot).
Also, translation often involves nuance, tone, sarcasm, emotions. AIs can be able to do “sentiment analysis” and connect words together in order to derive an assessment, but it’ll be devoid of the attempted connection from whoever wrote the text being translated.
That said, Bilibili does have an automatic translation for titles and comments, turned on by default. I deliberately turned it off, because I want to see the Chinese ideographs, even though I’m not able to truly understand what I’m reading there. I expect to learn them from context and repetition, from trial and error… And when I get to see one of the ideographs standing out before my vision as something I know, getting to see them and yelling “hey, I know these two symbols, these are baxi 巴西 and together they mean Brazil”… Oh, there’s a whole fun to it, a fun that’s virtually non-existent when a clanker is doing all the heavy lifting.
Don’t get me wrong, I do use translators, I’m not against translators, but I personally prefer using them manually, under my own pace and command while also being able to isolate certain words from surrounding sentences, this way getting to expand my vocabulary a little bit through a research of my own (e.g. looking it up on Wiktionary or other dictionaries out there), because I want to be able to learn something, anything, from it.
Sounds like you’re pretty talented with languages! But people learn differently. I would like to learn Chinese though. But I would like to learn a lot of things haha.










