Posed similar questions about communism in the past. I’m just trying to understand, I ask because I know there is a reasonable contingent of anarchists here. If you have any literature to recommend I’d love to hear about it. My current understanding is, destruction of current system of government (violently or otherwise) followed by abolition of all law. Following this, small communities of like minded individuals form and cooperate to solve food, safety, water and shelter concerns.

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    Anarchism is a bit of a fantasy once it encounters reality, like most political ideologies. The most viable attempt at an anarcho-government was in spain before Franco. It failed in terms of running a functional country, with the short lived experiment being unable to even decide whether to arm the few defenders against Franco’s authoritarian capture of the country – Durruti had to basically raid/steal weapons for his troops to mount any kind of resistance.

    So literature I’d recommend is basically spanish history.

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    I think if you’re asking questions about communism and anarchism, it makes most sense to ask those questions where communists and anarchists hang out, rather than communities that tend to be more liberal. For clarity, I’m a Marxis-Leninist that used to be an anarchist.

    Anarchism is primarily about communalization and decentralization of production and distribution. Anarchists view the state as a monopoly on violence and an unjustifiable hierarchy, and so seek to establish horizontalist structures and production methods that are more local than interconnected where possible. Think community self-reliance, with minor trade between cells.

    An Anarchist FAQ tends to be valued among anarchists as a good but lengthy intro.

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      I appreciate the faq! This group has the highest concentration of communists/anarchists I’ve found. The blend of other ideologies here is helpful too because I want to hear/understand dissenting opinions from those who have studied it as well.

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        No problem on the FAQ! It’s a deceptive title, it’s extremely lengthy. I don’t really agree with it either, as I’m a Marxist, not an anarchist, but I know anarchists swear by it.

        As for what I mean by asking in a place with more anarchists and communists, Lemmy.world is predominantly liberal. The communists are usually on Lemmygrad.ml, Hexbear.net, or Lemmy.ml, while the anarchists are generally on dbzer0 and Hexbear.net.

        With a Lemmy.world account, on a Lemmy.world community, you are going to find the majority of upvoted comments are from non-communists trying to explain communism. For example, the top comment that showed up for me on the communism post was entirely off-base, to which I wrote a hopefully constructive response. These kinds of comments are upvoted on Lemmy.world because they reinforce the general “pro-left in theory, anti-left in practice” stance that is predominent here on Lemmy.world.

        I think it’s useful for getting the ideas of non-communists, ie you have your dissenting opinions, but for a more well-rounded view I’d use Lemmy.ml’s Ask Lemmy community and with a Lemmy.ml account, as that way you can actually see Hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml answers. Just my two cents!

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    It’s more of a philosophy than a system of governance. A government that follows anarchist ideals would not incarcerate people much, but would do a lot to make sure private individuals can’t attain much power over each other. It would be focused on preventing a tiered class system from forming and making sure people aren’t critically dependent on a single employer.

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      Seems possible if we were creating new colonies on other worlds or something. I feel like you’d really have to start fresh with a group thats all on the same page. I don’t see how it could be implemented in current state capitalist countries. But, like I said, thats how I feel not necessarily the reality of the situation.

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    I’m going to recommend My anarchist manifesto at https://soulism.net/. It’s not an economic or legal manifesto, but a scientific and spiritual manifesto for a new kind of worldview to apply to society and identity.

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    As I understand it, anarchism is less about eliminating laws and more about eliminating hierarchy. It’s bottom-up governance that requires lots of participation from everyone involved. You and your peers can establish laws for your neighborhood/town/etc., but everyone affected by that law needs to directly participate in its writing and there must be broad consensus before it is enacted. Law enforcement must be communal; you cannot outsource it to a police force, lest the police become oppressive.

    When I think of anarchism I sometimes think of colonial New England: small towns that are largely autonomous, where communal decisions are made at town hall meetings and the locals manage themselves. It’s not a perfect analogy since there were higher levels of government, but day-to-day governance was very grass-roots.

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      That makes sense, funny you bring up colonial New England making communal decisions. Makes me think about the witch trials right away lol. Guess there wouldn’t really be checks/balances stopping that kind of thing, youd just move to a different place if you didnt like it?

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        If we learned anything from 2025 it’s that checks and balances only work when a critical mass of people agree to them. One of the US’s major political parties has abandoned rule of law and sent ICE on a modern day witch hunt against immigrants and perceived enemies. If you don’t like it, time to move. An anarchist would say this situation is a great example of why we shouldn’t outsource governance to entities that have power over us.

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    I was part of a protest camp with around 5000 people that was organized according to anarchist ideals, for one week.
    We organized in groups of ~10 people who each selected one delegate to attend a daily “village” plenum.
    There were 5 villages, and each plenum would select a speaker to coordinate with the other villages.

    Everyone in a plenum had the same right to speak, and every decision had to be reached unanimously.
    The decisions were non-binding since there was no way to enforce them.
    Sometimes it got frustrating when a delegate was clearly intoxicated or rambled incoherently and there was no one with authority to stop them speaking.
    But in general, it worked really well as a tool to have everyone’s voice heard, inform everyone about news, and coordinate daily life, schedules, protest marches, and chores in the camp.

    Until an outside threat appeared.
    Police threatened to storm the camp and the plenum couldn’t reach a consensus to refrain from using molotov cocktails against them (in a tent city with children and disabled people sleeping inside).
    The group advocating for violence (“black block”) stopped attending the meetings.
    The remaining delegates split over the question whether the black block could be evicted from the camp, and most people stopped attending after that.

    The police raid never happened.

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      Yep. Anarchy sounds great on a small scale, but cannot work on a larger scale (country level and above). Any complex enough task requires delegation, and at least a semblance of hierarchy, providing a level of authority to certain people within a group.

      Just think about it. Building a simple carriage? That’s something you can do with 2-3 other people, no hierarchy needed. A modern car? Even to just assemble one you need 6-10 people doing the physical work and 2-3 “leaders” who coordinate these people, to do so effectively. And to build a rocket that can actually reach space? You need hundreds of people working in lockstep from design to manufacturing and to final assembly. With redundancies and checks and whatnot all planned for. Try to built a rocket without any hierarchy and you’ll just never reach the goal.

      Anarchy is something people should strive for, but it’s not something we can achieve truly. It’s more a guiding principle rather than a concrete goal.

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        You can have delegation without hierarchy or authority, if everyone profits from the work equally.
        Then the planner and manager of the project are just another specialist. The others trust them to know their shit, just like they trust the mechanics or builders.
        If there’s a disagreement over what’s to be done by whom, this can be resolved in discussion.
        Again, this works well if everyone has an equal stake in the success of the project, can freely leave, and isn’t just working on it due to threat of homelessness.

        Anarchy is something that governs lots of aspects in life today.
        For example, the IT team I work in is managed without authority. There is a team leader of course, but he doesn’t tell the team what to do at all. We decide that unanimously based on what there is to be done and who is best at which tasks. There is an authoritarian structure around it from the company of course, but our team leader isolates us from it. We document our own working hours, discuss scheduling and vacation days among the team. I’ve never gotten a “do this” or “you can’t take that day off” order from anyone in 2 years.
        Again, this works because we are all motivated and aligned with the company’s goals (and the working conditions are great due to a strong Union).

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          Just because the authority isn’t used it doesn’t mean it isn’t present. You can have a hierarchy with authority assigned to higher-ups, and still work in a flat structure a la anarchy on average days. Authority ideally is only utilised when it has to be. In a work environment, for e.g. an IT team, that authority would be used when shit hits the fan and something mission-critical needs fixing and there can be absolutely zero miscommunication, so everyone does their tasks to their best abilities, but the team lead still takes charge.

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    I recommend https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/david-graeber-possibilities

    Violence is in fact unique among forms of human action in that it holds out the possibility of affecting the actions of others about whom one understands nothing. Any other way one might wish to affect another’s actions, one must at least have some idea who they think they are, what they want, what they think is going on. Interpretation is required, and that requires a certain degree of imaginative identification. Hit someone over the head hard enough, all this becomes irrelevant. Obviously, two parties locked in an equal contest of violence would usually do well to get inside each other’s heads, but when access to violence becomes extremely unequal, the need vanishes. This is typically the case in situations of structural violence: of systemic inequality that is ultimately backed up by the threat of force. Structural violence always seems to create extremely lopsided structures of imagination.

    As I understand anarchism, the idea is a society where human culture becomes powerful enough to overcome and replace this sort of violently imposed top-down structure.

    My current understanding is, destruction of current system of government (violently or otherwise) followed by abolition of all law. Following this, small communities of like minded individuals form and cooperate to solve food, safety, water and shelter concerns.

    I think your main mistake is to get this backwards; the mere destruction of government and law doesn’t by itself effect the formation of anarchism. You need a culture with enough utility and resilience to replace it and endure without falling back on the crutch of structural violence.

    The book I linked goes into some detail considering what that might take, focusing on the example of the nearly-anarchist society of 1990 Madagascar, where technically they were under the rule of a formal government, but in practice almost all governance was independent from it and driven by their unique culture. To summarize a little from memory, ambitious people basically aspired to be liches, with living supporters conducting regular rituals involving their tombs and bodies to avoid getting cursed, because having a prominent place in a reputable tomb after death was the only path to be considered an important person. But the main way to get such a position was to provide for people enough that they would become able and socially obligated to maintain your place in the tomb. There’s clear social utility there; achievement materially depends on positive contribution.

    If it is the case that the concepts and relationships that define society and how we behave are essentially feats of imagination, then it should be possible for this force of imagination to itself be the basis for holding things together, rather than forcing it into artificial molds defined by violent hierarchies. What’s needed for that to happen is to sufficiently develop cultural imagination as a technology that it can build systems that stand up to the pressures they need to bear, that currently get handled through destructive shortcuts that treat people as things.

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    Check out The Conquest of Bread by Kropotkin. It’s an easy read, I had no trouble with it in high school. It doesn’t need to be violent at all. Very much a “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need” kind of book. People focus a lot on “Why should that person have what I have, when I worked so hard?” when the real question is “Why should that person go without what all of us have, when it’s completely unnecessary?”

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    Anarchism is essential education, but highly impractical. It works on a fictional premise of good faith actors internally, while not maximizing power for threats externally. Because neither of these conditions are met, Anarchism remains relegated to ephemeral pop-ups and subsequent collapses. I wish it didn’t have to be so, it is a noble system.

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    Not an anarchist, but the common thread among those I’ve talked to is the elimination of hierarchical structures (whether government or otherwise).

    Other types of organization are fine, as long as there are no asymmetric institutional relationships.

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        Cooperatives, mutual aid networks like Food Not Bombs, rank-and-file/leaderless unions like the IWW, etc. There is a limited number of modern day examples because such organizations have historically faced systematic repression, but the list grows much longer if we look to the past. Such organization also tends to form spontaneously during natural disasters and the like when there is little to no state intervention, and quickly dissolve whenever the state intervenes.

        For organizations with broader scope and on longer timescales, the Zapatistas in Chiapas, Mexico and Rojava in north and east Syria are good examples.

        Keep in mind of course that the real world is messy and full of conflict, and that results in there not being any perfectly pure example of anarchist ideals in practice in the same way that there is no perfectly pure example of any ideology in practice. In addition, many of the groups I listed above do not make explicit reference to anarchism and are doing their own thing that just so happens to map onto anarchist ideas, and they often don’t call themselves anarchist or even have an aversion to ideological labels entirely.

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    True anarchy would not be possible until every human being on the planet is on the same page and doesn’t hate another for stupid reasons like what pronouns they want to be referred to by or what color their skin is, and also with zero absence of greed.

    On the small scale, a co-op is basically anarchist. Nobody is really in charge, everyone pitches in. It works incredibly well small scale. The bigger the group, the more likely corruption will fuck everything up.

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      I love that list of examples, because they’re either not anarchist, or are very limited communes that function because of (and under the laws of) the larger democratic governments around them. Or they don’t exist anymore

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        Yes, that’s generally the caveat.
        Anarchism works really well in groups where everyone knows everyone else personally, the community is protected from outside attacks by a non-anarchist superstructure, and everyone is free to leave if they don’t like it.
        You can have an anarchist commune, village or town, but not an anarchist nation-state surrounded by other nation-states.

        I’d even claim that small homogeneous communities naturally gravitate towards anarchism (without outside force), but large communities naturally gravitate towards authoritarianism.
        Democracy in its ideal form combines the two: A state with well-defined, legitimized, limited authority handling the big stuff, giving the maximum amount of freedom possible to local communities for handling their own stuff the way they want to.

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    That’s about correct. You miss the final stage: rise of a group of leaders, who quickly manipulate the other members, take over power and (in the absence of law) create a dictatorship.