What’s your take on this?
There’s a reason why women hate you:
Because you deserve it.
My take is that you keep posting hot takes on here, trying to stir the pot, and then when called out you say it’s just a joke bro
Hot takes? If OP wanted to try a hot take, they could try something not from the 2001 MRA handbook.
The decision to bring new life into the world should, ideally, be agreed upon by both parents.
If the female does not wish to be a mother, I believe it is her right to abort the pregnancy. We have the technology. The procedure is invasive and I would recommend her to try other methods to avoid pregnancy if she does not wish to be a parent. Even with an abortion pill, she still has to push all that stuff out at some point. It’s going to be traumatic. So it’s better if she’s on the pill, an IUD (which admittedly isn’t pleasant either), uses physical contraceptive (condoms), or just avoids PiV altogether (anal, oral, digital are all pleasurable to both sexes).
If the male does not wish to be a father, I believe it is his right to renounce paternity. But it should be total, all or nothing. He would never get the right to see the child or to call himself the father. This is a really messy situation pretty much everywhere. If you help raise a child, you should have some parental rights… coming from someone who’s helped raise a few. Of course, if the child already has a father and you’re just (as a man) helping out, you’re an uncle at best. If the child has a father but he’s never around, the mother has a boyfriend but he has no interest in being a dad, and you step up, even if you’re a family friend, I believe that makes you a dad, even if you aren’t biologically related to the child. I mean, every child should have a dad, and if their father isn’t there, the mom’s boyfriend doesn’t want the job, and a friend steps up, and the child calls this man “daddy” I don’t see anything wrong with it. When they’re both adults (that is, the child is of legal age), they can apply whatever label they want (dad, uncle, or friend), but before they reach the age of majority? I think you should be able to say you’re that child’s dad.
I am pretty much hugely pro-life. I’ve seen the best of kids, and I’ve seen some of the worst. Not like “We Need to Talk About Kevin” worst, but I’ve met a few who fear the inside of a bathtub and/or hot water. I’ve seen where shit goes in a diaper when no one steps up to change it for hours (hint: it goes EVERYWHERE, and if it’s a girl… yes… sort of anyway). I’ve seen all kinds of tantrums. I’ve had to settle all those things. Cleaned up all kinds of bodily fluids. And I still think kids are worth it. But that being said, I’m not anti-choice/pro-birth.
I support the woman’s choice to have a child or not, without government interference either way (eg: Forced Abortions or Forced Births).
I also support paper abortions.
Alternative: roll out better options for male contraceptives and make them very easily available. Where the fuck is RISUG/Vasalgel/Plan A for Men?
You’re gonna be down voted to hell but baby trapping is real, it’s rape, and there should be a recourse against it.
Lol. Baby trapping, while it is bad, its nothing even closely similar to rape.
Also gentlemen, if there is possibility of rain, bring your raincoats and remember, its not rude to keep your hat on when going inside. Even if the lady asks you to remove it.
But i agree that lying about birthcontrol should be punishable.
Look, mate, accidents happen. If you don’t want to get a lady pregnant, don’t have sex with the lady.
Victim blaming.
The victim in this situation is the unwanted child.
There can be more than one.
That’s not equal. Women can’t abandon the baby after it’s born either. It takes two to make a baby. Men have the final say over their own bodies just as women do.
Genuinely curious, how is it not equal that when abortion is available, the male has no way of saying “I don’t want a child”
Youre right, it takes two to have a child. Condoms still break, birth control fails, people lie. The entire reason we want abortions to be legal is for the edge cases exactly like this so they don’t have to resort to unsafe pregnancies or having an unwanted child.
In the US, in some states, even if you try to simply run away the gal is forced to put down any name as the father, and he will be held accountable for the child whether he agreed or not.
Genuinely curious, how is it not equal that when abortion is available, the male has no way of saying “I don’t want a child”
Because in that case, only one parent can abandon the child. That’s not equal. It’s saying men have no real responsibility for their children, only women do.
The entire reason we want abortions to be legal is for the edge cases exactly like this
No, the reason we have abortions is that pregnancy is harmful for women. It cripples you for weeks. It makes you unable to work for months. Women die every year from pregnancy complications. Abortion is about the woman’s right to healthcare, not the insentient clump of cells. Parental rights are about the live baby.
In the US, in some states, even if you try to simply run away the gal is forced to put down any name as the father, and he will be held accountable for the child whether he agreed or not.
Which he should be, because it’s his baby. He made it just as much as the woman did. The man’s time to opt out is different from the woman’s because of biology, but he still had the opportunity to opt out.
Ahh so you’re just going to victim blame gotcha. You don’t even pretend to have a solution, just that well the man had sex so it’s his fault. Even though my entire message was explicity for the people trapped into this situation similar to how many woman are forced to continue a pregnancy.
That’s literally reality. The baby is the result of a man and a woman having sex, not just the woman. The baby is both parents’ child, not just one’s parent. There isn’t a “solution”, because that’s not a problem. It WOULD be a problem if one could abandon their child with no consequences, which is why they can’t.
The woman can make the choice themselves. In a world where the male isn’t forced into subservience, the woman makes a responsible choice about what they want to do before having the child. Simple as. No one is forcing them to have the child, but the woman can force the male to be? Nope sorry, unless you have a solution that doesn’t resort to victim blaming I’m not buying it.
I think it should require some proof that there was mutual intent to prevent or end a pregnancy, but otherwise it seems reasonable.
