Im a little OOTL: Is it now proven “beyond reasonable doubt” that he did it, or did he even confess? What’s the punishment? If not, where is he and how’s the story going?
Weird to have him tried twice for the same offense, but then a lot of things in the US law system are weird to me.
Mangione has pleaded not guilty to state and federal charges
I see. But the evidence from his backpack does seem overwhealming. OTOH I don’t see why he wouldn’t throw the pistol away… well, that’s all just speculation. I for one wish him well and I can see an argument for not guilty even if he did kill that CEO.
Yes but only if the threat is urgent and there are no other ways to protect your life. I would argue there are ways and self-defense is explicitly not self-judicial. If you are cornered and fighting for your life while someone is trying to kill you thats a whole different circumstance.
The ongoing and systematic denial of life-saving and necessary care to people in favor of profit, especially since those who are contracted to provide care just politically donate bribe their way into setting things up so care is denied isn’t urgent? Seems like fighting the systematic early-extermination of workers has some similarities to the resistance networks that fought the Nazis. Not a 1:1 overlap, but there seem to be similarities.
I believe your representatives could do something if people started voting in their best interest. And class action lawsuits also have existed for a while. Justice is tedious. Not everyone has equal resources I acknowledge that. A basic social safety net in a first world country should be the standard. Even if you can’t pay insurance the public hand should help you when you’re down. Many first-world countries already do this. A CEO is just one cog in a machine. Kill him which hurts his family and friends, and they will be replaced. The issue is systematic. CEOs aren’t the one to blame, the laws and political system are. People need to organize and not wait for one individual with vengeance to take out CEOs. If a CEO doesn’t perform shareholders replace them. Pure capitalism is fucked which is why many Scandinavian and western European countries combine it with social policies. Demonizing anything so called “communistic” because it improves peoples lives just because it takes the best aspects of socialism and combines it with capitalism is the problem. The general populous in the US is too conservative and resistant to change. And the example I was giving is legal for situations where you fight against an aggressor for your life. Even if I had cancer and UHC denied to give me healthcare treatment killing the CEO wouldn’t immediately resolve my issues with denials. The policies applied are horrible but that doesn’t justify murder. You can argue with systematic mass-murder and I understand the concern but the whole system is the problem. I hope bad publicity deters anyone from going with their healthcare plans plans now. My point also wasn’t meant to discuss Luigi Magione and the murder of UHC CEO Bryan Thompson but more related to AI CEOs
I believe your representatives could do something if people started voting in their best interest.
Both parties are bought and paid for by the same plutocrats.
A basic social safety net in a first world country should be the standard
The United States is a third world shithole that mascarades as first world (see bribes as previously mentioned).
The general populous in the US is too conservative and resistant to change.
Mandami shows that to be untrue. The Epstein class has merely kept the political system from ensuring the wellbeing of the population (see bribes above).
Even if I had cancer and UHC denied to give me healthcare treatment killing the CEO wouldn’t immediately resolve my issues with denials.
Maybe. Maybe it’ll change the calculation to make it too expensive to deny people care/living wages (See Paper Mario).
The policies applied are horrible but that doesn’t justify murder.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” -Kennedy
Soap box (See, e.g., Colbert and the like)
Ballot box (watch the games that are already kicking off about this, especially with support from the bribes as previously mentioned)
NYC populous is not the average voting population tho. The US party system is broken in a way it only allows for two parties to emerge. I think primaries allow for a more granular choice for the average person tho. The Kennedy quote is true, but I’m not giving up that peaceful change is impossible.
So the social murder that CEO was propagated would never be punishes and has been responsible for thousands of deaths a year. These people fleece us time and time again to the point where we’re on the edge of being able to survive. The only response at this point IS violence.
Im not going to mourn the loss of a faceless dipshit who’s sole job it is to deny insurance payouts and gatekeep medical services that should be funded by taxpayers and given at no cost to avoid them going bankrupt.
Studies show that not only did the justifiably executed Corporate Serial Killer’s health care company ease up on their denials, so did all the OTHER health care companies. I’ve read numerous reports by people who were struggling to get serious care for years, who were suddenly approved after justice was served.
Eventually, they went back to business as normal. That only demonstrates that we have to randomly execute a CEO every few months, just to keep them in line.
I mean killing them off works look at Luigi. That was just one of them
Im a little OOTL: Is it now proven “beyond reasonable doubt” that he did it, or did he even confess? What’s the punishment? If not, where is he and how’s the story going?
His state murder trial is scheduled for September 8. His federal trial has been postponed so the lawyers can focus on the state case.
Thanks! A sober article.
Weird to have him tried twice for the same offense, but then a lot of things in the US law system are weird to me.
I see. But the evidence from his backpack does seem overwhealming. OTOH I don’t see why he wouldn’t throw the pistol away… well, that’s all just speculation. I for one wish him well and I can see an argument for not guilty even if he did kill that CEO.
2 different soverigns - 2 different cases
The stuff from the backpack was suppressed since the police didn’t have a warrant
This murder is no saint. Self-judicial actions don’t deserve praise.
Depends on the context. Use of deadly force in defense of self/others can be acceptable and legal.
Yes but only if the threat is urgent and there are no other ways to protect your life. I would argue there are ways and self-defense is explicitly not self-judicial. If you are cornered and fighting for your life while someone is trying to kill you thats a whole different circumstance.
The ongoing and systematic denial of life-saving and necessary care to people in favor of profit, especially since those who are contracted to provide care just
politically donatebribe their way into setting things up so care is denied isn’t urgent? Seems like fighting the systematic early-extermination of workers has some similarities to the resistance networks that fought the Nazis. Not a 1:1 overlap, but there seem to be similarities.I believe your representatives could do something if people started voting in their best interest. And class action lawsuits also have existed for a while. Justice is tedious. Not everyone has equal resources I acknowledge that. A basic social safety net in a first world country should be the standard. Even if you can’t pay insurance the public hand should help you when you’re down. Many first-world countries already do this. A CEO is just one cog in a machine. Kill him which hurts his family and friends, and they will be replaced. The issue is systematic. CEOs aren’t the one to blame, the laws and political system are. People need to organize and not wait for one individual with vengeance to take out CEOs. If a CEO doesn’t perform shareholders replace them. Pure capitalism is fucked which is why many Scandinavian and western European countries combine it with social policies. Demonizing anything so called “communistic” because it improves peoples lives just because it takes the best aspects of socialism and combines it with capitalism is the problem. The general populous in the US is too conservative and resistant to change. And the example I was giving is legal for situations where you fight against an aggressor for your life. Even if I had cancer and UHC denied to give me healthcare treatment killing the CEO wouldn’t immediately resolve my issues with denials. The policies applied are horrible but that doesn’t justify murder. You can argue with systematic mass-murder and I understand the concern but the whole system is the problem. I hope bad publicity deters anyone from going with their healthcare plans plans now. My point also wasn’t meant to discuss Luigi Magione and the murder of UHC CEO Bryan Thompson but more related to AI CEOs
Both parties are bought and paid for by the same plutocrats.
The United States is a third world shithole that mascarades as first world (see bribes as previously mentioned).
Mandami shows that to be untrue. The Epstein class has merely kept the political system from ensuring the wellbeing of the population (see bribes above).
Maybe. Maybe it’ll change the calculation to make it too expensive to deny people care/living wages (See Paper Mario).
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” -Kennedy
Soap box(See, e.g., Colbert and the like)Ballot box (watch the games that are already kicking off about this, especially with support from the bribes as previously mentioned)
Jury boxAmmo box
NYC populous is not the average voting population tho. The US party system is broken in a way it only allows for two parties to emerge. I think primaries allow for a more granular choice for the average person tho. The Kennedy quote is true, but I’m not giving up that peaceful change is impossible.
They’re essentially defending social darwinism and social murder. This person’s mind is fully cooked.
So the social murder that CEO was propagated would never be punishes and has been responsible for thousands of deaths a year. These people fleece us time and time again to the point where we’re on the edge of being able to survive. The only response at this point IS violence.
Im not going to mourn the loss of a faceless dipshit who’s sole job it is to deny insurance payouts and gatekeep medical services that should be funded by taxpayers and given at no cost to avoid them going bankrupt.
I would agree if the judicial system was doing their job and being fair. That is not even remotely the case, is it?
That small window of time was the perfect opportunity to call and get your claim approved… funny how that works
So United stopped denying care?
Studies show that not only did the justifiably executed Corporate Serial Killer’s health care company ease up on their denials, so did all the OTHER health care companies. I’ve read numerous reports by people who were struggling to get serious care for years, who were suddenly approved after justice was served.
Eventually, they went back to business as normal. That only demonstrates that we have to randomly execute a CEO every few months, just to keep them in line.
For a little bit. They figured it’s a one-off… And so far they e been correct.
But every bullshit denial could mean another.
Paper Mario disagrees.
Maybe after 3 or 4 more. We should find out. Then add a few more for good measure