Some people don’t believe me when I try to warn them about the content creator grift. I don’t care, I’m coming for all of them if they start spouting shit like this to their audience. They have a responsibility towards their viewers.
Second time I see him tweet shit like this.
At this point he should just stop pretending he’s any sort of leftist. His mental health will thank him.
archive link so he can’t scrub it off the internet: https://archive.ph/XWZD6 (still loading as of posting but should be ready eventually)
People here should debate rightists instead of criticizing fellow leftists.
And more generally, as Viki1999 liked to point out, i’d personally go even further and ask for left unity in these difficult times :
My POV is that yugo has a big audience and should be mindful of what he says, especially since he knows his audience is mostly baby leftists. And secondly Johnstone has herself gone on unhinged rants before:
She herself is a weird hodgepodge of liberalism and mildly progressive views. She’s said several times she’s not a communist and actively refuses to become one.
And when they’re called out for it they double down trying to “explain” how they were right and then never change. They have 0 material analysis, they’re just doing vibes-based politics. Is this how yugo wants to conduct politics with the masses? Would he publish this rant under a party name? If not, then why publish it on twitter under his own name? This is the kind of stuff you say with friends, and they gently steer you in the right direction.
Why are our idols now streamers and youtubers? Why do we care what these petty bourgeois enthusiasts who try to make a living taking money from baby comrades think about how struggle is conducted? Of course they’ll defend their petty-bourgeois views when it comes down to it. That’s what makes them money. Viki herself took a long break because she made, you guessed it, deeply ignorant remarks.
Yet they call for left-unity and expect us to side with their shit views and opinions, sweep them under the rug, while they continue on thinking and spouting whatever words they want. But it’s us, the marxist-leninists, that have to be on our best behavior around them.
Like I don’t know, I don’t always have the right takes and I’ve made comments to people on the internet that I regret. I apologize to them and talk to friends to understand the problem and synthesize my own conclusion from it. I don’t tell more principled people that they’re the ones who need to change and not me, cause that’s what they’re doing here. Coming from caitlin and vicki, it’s deeply selfish and self-centered to say this. They think because they’re big names with an audience that automatically makes them right and everyone else wrong.
When Lenin said “Among the Jews there are workers, toilers, they are in the majority. They are our brothers, comrades in the struggle for Socialism, because they are oppressed by capitalism. Among the Jews there are Kulaks, exploiters, capitalists, just like amongst us all,” he preceded it with:
Notice Lenin didn’t say “you must have faulty genes if you believe otherwise you disabled r-word”.
Criticism and self-criticism is a core component of marxism to progress forward. Normally it implies we find issues to remedy and then remedy them, so we all progress together. In this case, I’m not really sure where to even begin. I think it speaks for itself (esp. the “now I’m not calling them the r-word, just the diminutive that’s acceptable in your circles :)”)
But people don’t deserve to have their shit takes swept under the rug just because they’re nominally on “our side”. He chose to publish this on Twitter and leave it up, what are we supposed to do? Smile while he continues saying whatever unhinged shit crosses his mind that day under the shower, never getting challenged for it? What example does this set for the new leftists that watch him, who start to think communism is just about appearing edgy and being counter-culture?
I want to leave one last thought; you suggest to debate rightists, but why not rightist views and right deviationist views? Not everyone who calls themselves a communist is immediately our comrade, people don’t suddenly develop all the correct theory and ideas as soon as they proclaim themselves to be a marxist.
I wrote a long answer(, in which i agree with a lot of things you said, it was well-written and thank you for taking such a long time), but i won’t post it since you banned me.
I just want to say as my last words that i could have banned you for saying that C.Johnstone is a liberal with midly progressive views, or that yugopnik is defending petty-bourgeois views, clearly crazy opinions. Of course i wouldn’t do that because everyone makes mistakes, but i could have, and you think it couldn’t happen to you but i wouldn’t ask for your opinion, you’d just be banned whether it’s just or not.
Bye.
Actually i was the one one who reported you and got you banned. It wasn’t for some arbitrary reason it was for using the r-slur then implying its acceptable as “its the official terminology” despite it being horribly offensive, ableist, and archaic. This is why I left the post explaining areas of growth that you should focus on.
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Id completely support you getting unbanned if you touch some grass and ask someone with an intellectual disabiltiy themselves whether or not the r-slur is acceptable.
I didn’t ban you.
Then i owe you an apology.
(I still won’t answer you since that’d be going further in the ban evasion, and it’s too long you have better things to do, but in short they tolerate our leftism but we don’t tolerate theirs, sometimes cancelling them but we need numbers, so-called “antifas” tried to cancel people like Étienne Chouard or David Rovics, yugopnik could hopefully understand your point and his tweet wasn’t meant to be taken that seriously, he’s just saying half-jokingly “i can’t explain it otherwise because the far-right is not logical by any mean !”, good quote&point from Lenine, saying that people from the far-right ought to have lost some chromosomes would be an ableist joke ?, that post isn’t helpful to yugopnik in the way you’re presenting it since he won’t see it so that’s more like talking in his back, nor is it addressed in a loving manner, i don’t believe you intended to harm him though because you’d have been contented with knowing that he understood his mistake, and also because as you say you were opposing the rightist view and not the leftist individual)
I think it’s better to write that than nothing. I don’t intend to come back here because in that comment i ended up complaining about the downvotes solely because the mods were scaring me, it’s not an enjoyable feeling.
But please take care of lemmygrad, it’s an important place on Lemmy and i’m still glad that it exists.
It really depends on the criticism. I remember when I used to hang out on “left” twitter, on occasion I’d see stuff where it was like telephone game style personal spats that were impossible for an observer to follow and understand, and so it was more just the kind of conflict that might have been resolved with a proper sit-down and mediator, or at least clarified better what the problem was.
This case is pretty clear though just from reading the one tweet itself. It’s a problem of ideological line and that’s something we do need to crit in each other. Otherwise, we’re just doing the liberal thing of going along to get along:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-2/mswv2_03.htm
Self-criticism is common practice among MLs:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240425185930/https://www.newstatesman.com/long-reads/1934/10/h-g-wells-it-seems-me-i-am-more-left-you-mr-stalin
Unprincipled criticism, backbiting, etc., can be a problem:
But strong unity of the ML kind is forged by working through problems, not paving over them with social niceties in public while holding onto resentments in private (that’s liberalism).
If people don’t denigrate him, but criticize him in a friendly manner then i have no problem. It’s just the all too common “character assassination” i have a problem with(, especially for such little things, and even more among leftists).
If it’s just an occasion to discuss about the influence of genetics on behavior then i have zero problem with this, i just hope that people here won’t suddenly hate yugopnik just for that, which is probably unlikely to happen, so i shouldn’t have concerned myself with it.
I suppose that i just didn’t want to resist posting that quote from C.Johnstone.
That quote was what i was alluding to(, while remembering one time when many people on Lemmy falsely accused Nutomic himself of being transphobic, with people exciting themselves over nothing and calling for his resignation, so stupid, the same thing happened for Linus Torvalds because he wrote a harsh email to someone working for him, let’s just focus our anger on more productive things than bringing down people on our side) :
I don’t generally try to operate on hate, myself. Except maybe for the most obvious exploiters of the world, but then it’s more incidental hate as a result of finding out what horrific shit they’ve done, than an active preoccupied effort to hate. Hating someone takes energy. I’d rather put my energy into working out how to dismantle systems of oppression.
I am suspicious of people who purport to be on the left and say stuff like he did though. I feel I have good reason to be, given the history of internet-based “leftists” who are bad at sticking to a clear ideological line. It’s possible he can be corrected on this and change his ways, but his position as e-celeb (however small the level of celebrity may be) makes it harder to directly engage in criticism with him, as peers. So we have to correct and warn people as we can.
As i said in another comment, he most likely doesn’t really believe that people are born to be far-right, it’s more of an insult saying that they were born with some innate cerebral deficiency, and that otherwise they couldn’t possibly develop such p.o.v.
If i’m not mistaken he’s often shitposting, it’s an insult, that’s all, not that deep, nor someone calling covertly for eugenics.
Anyway, if you don’t suddenly hate him now, then ok, i probably overreacted and should have ignored that post.
This sounds a lot like the “schrodinger’s douchebag” excuse:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=schrodinger’s+douchebag
Anyway, insults are not just insults. They carry ideology with them. If I were to use a slur against you, it would be carrying water for the ideology of that slur, even if I don’t actively believe in it myself.
That the far-right is mentally ret*rded
Yep, that would be a problem. Directing it at rightists doesn’t give it the characteristics of leftism. It’s still got the rightist stench clinging to it. This is why it’s so important to interrogate reflexes even long after conscious beliefs change. Our habits do not change overnight based on what we believe in.
Yeah, ok, we’re different from the right because we’re differing on some goals AND on some means.
Furthermore, the far-right is just mistaken, everyone makes mistakes, obviously, it’s not a genetic problem.
But i find it funny when he says that they’re innately ret*rded, 🤷
W/e, i won’t take more of your time
proclaims unity
Uses divisive ableist language
Do better
Do they really care though if i use the word stupid instead of ret*arded ?
Is r*tard some kind of official name to designate them unlike stupid, like jew, dwarf, or n*gger, hence why it shouldn’t be used in the context of an insult ?
Well, w/e, ok then, it’s not as if i had any problem with the “mentally challenged” minority.
Citing Viki is a bad idea considering how she ended up supporting Israels genocide.
And while i still believe that nurture is more influential than nature, i’ve also discovered that true twins were sometimes separated at birth, raised in two different families, and ended up despite that with remarkable similarities, forcing me to conclude that there may have been more to genetics that i initially presupposed. I know that political affiliation isn’t determined by genes, and yugopnik as well.
In any case, don’t hate yugopnik for that while ignoring all the things he’s done previously. He’s on our side, remember ? Perhaps that not losing should be more of a priority that some “leftist purity”.
Well, that’s only my opinion, feel free to disagree 🤷
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