He uses the term wrong, but yes, that’s what’s implied.

Okay, I’m going to spell it out for you, because clearly you have no fucking idea what Romeo and Juliet laws are. These laws allow teenagers to have sex with others in a similar age group, for example between 14 and 16, but not above. So these laws don’t make it legal for an adult to have sex with a 14 year old. Now first: What’s bad about “defending a pedo”? For fucks sake, use your words correctly, what you mean is “defending someone who thinks that sexual acts between children and adults are okay”, which isn’t really happening here. Stallman questions the damage done by sexual acts with children as related to other factors besides the sexual acts themselves, which I disagree with because of the lack of physical development alone, but it’s a fair thought to have about things like supposed mental harms.

it is just that you can’t read.

I can, I just interpreted the sentence differently. To me it sounds like he uses “some people are ready earlier.” in relation to the current age of consent in the US. Hard to say which interpretation is correct here without context or clarification from Stallman himself.

this discussion is not about age of consent

Uhm, yes it is? When Stallman mentions that people ought to be allowed to have sex at age 14, that is leading to a discussion directly tied to the age of consent. He didn’t even make the claim that sexual acts with children should be allowed (besides possibly our differentiating interpretation in question), he merely questioned the belief that they are inherently harmful.

i did not bring that up. you did, multiple times, in spite of that not being relevant at all. only you know why you are so bent on defending fucking children.

It was YOUR quote of Stallman regarding his point that 14 is an acceptable age. So it’s only logical for me to bring this up to prove to you that it’s not an unpopular take. And not once have I defended fucking children here, you’re seeing ghosts.

i am done with you, glorious pedo defender, no need to reply, you are in my ignore list, and please don’t approach any children, since you are obviously heavily confused about what is acceptable around them.

Well, I already explained above why “pedo defender” defender is not the insult you think it is. And sure, run away from anything that questions your world view, because yours is the only correct one. No wonder why the average person is so stupid. Your baseless assumptions about me are also pretty lame.

According to your own comment, Stallman literally said “NOT INDISCRIMINATELY”, which to me can only mean Romeo and Juliet laws and/or only after mandatory sex education. Do you fucking know what words mean? Your scenario is completely made up in your head and not something Stallman advocates for, at least not according to the quotes you yourself provided.

except romeo was not 70 yo creep secretly longing to fuck 12 years old.

So this scenario is something that YOU made up. He also said 14 according to the quotes provided, not 12. Interesting how you’re moving the goal posts.

And defending the age of consent to be 14 is not “pro-pedo”, and there is no such thing, because as I just explained, pedophilia is a state of something that can’t be okay or not okay, favoured or not favoured, it just is. Also it refers to children below that age, so you really need to upgrade your vocabulary and learn the definitions of words in it. Defending this age barrier is called having a fucking brain. So yes, attacking people for saying that 14 is a reasonable age of consent, especially when also mentioning Romeo and Juliet laws, is extremely prudish.

Can you even read? I did explain that in the very first sentence, by mentioning that your scenario would not be legally possible.

And I was just wondering, because US Americans online are often extremely prudish and self-centered, which matches your attitude.

Do you even know what Romeo and Juliet laws are? Because with those, you’re scenario is not legally possible.

Basically all countries in South America have their age of consent at 14, plus some in Africa and Asia, and Europe is also pretty evenly split between 14-15 and 16. This is not unpopular at all, but go ahead and scream at everyone with a differing opinion because yours is the only “correct” one.

Just out of curiosity: Are you US American by chance?

And that’s why I was wondering if the question was asked verbatim. Stallman doesn’t seem to know what the word means either.

I don’t get what’s supposed to be so controversial about the first part, though. Many countries already have their age of consent somewhere around 14, often including Romeo and Juliet laws (i.e. not indiscriminately), so not really an unpopular take, and I can’t say I disagree with him there.

“We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing.” […] When a person on the email chain noted that the girl was 17 at the time, and that sex with a minor is statutory rape, Stallman replied, “I think it is morally absurd to define ‘rape’ in a way that depends on minor details such as which country it was in or whether the victim was 18 years old or 17.”

Seems logical. The real issue in her case was human trafficking, which is illegal irrespective of age.

edit: jeez, that’s a lot of pedophiles we have here on lemmy. you sick f.cks carefully choose fraction of the quotes i presented and try to spin it and you are not good at it.

Funny how you criticised ad hominem attacks in another comment, while resorting to the same tactic. And yeah, pedophiles are everywhere, including Lemmy, so what? Then again, I don’t see any around here.

he also uses term “voluntarily pedophilia”, pedophilia is when adult person is attacted to kid.

Correct. Though “voluntary pedophilia” is a nonsensical term.

and there is no such thing as vuluntary pedophilia because the kid cannot give informed consent.

Incorrect. There is no such thing as voluntary pedophilia because pedophilia only refers to the attraction, which not a choice. What you mean is simply “there is no such thing as (voluntary) consent by children”.

whatever is in your heads guys, please know it is not acceptable for adult man to fuck a kid younger than 14 years, under any circumstances.

I don’t see anyone here making the claim that it is.

Precisely what I meant, thank you. People seem to have troubles differentiating between thoughts and actions when it comes to paraphilias.

You’re going beyond the meaning of the word. Pedophilia is just the attraction itself, there can’t be anything okay or not okay with it, it just is. That’s like asking “Is psychopathy okay?”. There’s no answer for asking if the state of something is okay or not okay, because like I said, it just is.

To be fair, the question (if it was asked verbatim) doesn’t even make sense. Pedophilia can’t really be okay or not okay, it just is.

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Most of the points you made were about lack of individual freedoms, which I agree is bad, but doesn’t come close to actually killing hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people during the past decades like the US did. And why do you keep bringing up Trump? I didn’t mention him even once in my comments. I don’t care about him, he is a symptom of a much larger issue, not the cause. I’m not just talking about the oppression and killings of people within US borders, but also outside of them, and that’s where China doesn’t even compare to the US.

If “Trump” and “welfare system” are the only relevant points you got from everything I listed, I’m not sure that I’m the one acting in bad faith. It seems like you purposefully don’t even consider all the atrocities of the US outside of their own borders, but why should you, after all they’re just some stupid foreigners, right?

Everyone who is even slightly critical of the Western world is a Russian troll, I know. I don’t think I’m the one who is acting in bad faith and divorced from reality.

[Addendum]: Something I think you didn’t mention yet is the amount of people executed by the Chinese state, even for the simplest “crimes” like possession of drugs. That’s about the worst I can think of about China, and it’s one aspect that I would actually call a real atrocity that is worse than in the US. But the death penalty shouldn’t exist at all, so the US doesn’t gain any sympathy points from me in this case either.

Tiananmen Square was not simply a violent escalation of the Chinese state, so not sure if I’d wanna count that, and the “Xianjang Internment camps” still seem like made up bullshit by Adrian Zenz and the likes. But I didn’t simply ask what makes China bad, because I’m well aware of that, I asked what makes it worse than the US. Key words here:

Literally every president the US ever had in the past decades

War for almost the entire existence of the country

ICE and their camps

Pretty much daily school shootings and overall gun culture for that matter

Women’s rights in the US

Police violence

Horrible healthcare system causing thousands of deaths every year

Increasingly limited LGBTQ rights

War on Drugs

War on Terror

Support of or direct involvement in multiple genocides

Massive surveillance network, not just in the US, but globally

Hundreds of military bases all across the world

Guantanamo Bay

Human rights violations

Preventing people in certain countries from accessing certain much needed medications and extortion of pharmaceutical companies in other countries

Meddling in other countries’ political environment and even killing or kidnapping democratically elected heads of states

Creation and funding of terrorist groups and states

Bombing mostly innocent countries to ashes and committing countless war crimes, including the use of nuclear and chemical weapons

I’m probably still missing things…

China overall has bad track record when it comes to everything related to all kinds of individual freedoms, but considering that the US is actually deliberately killing and torturing people to no end (at least on a much, much larger scale than China), I’d say that they are way worse than China. And again, this is no excuse for China, I just think they don’t match the cruelty of the American empire.

What exactly makes China worse than the US?