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AI - the scapegoat worth multiple times its weight matrix in terms of gold, oil, and child slaves.
War crimes committed by AI, how lovely… soooo who is responsible?
So, another “Oops…” and Americans aren’t war criminals? Every fucking American soldier in the chain is an accomplice in war crimes. Every idiot who tells them “thank you for your service” is a supporter of war crimes. “I was following orders” is not an excuse.
Super intelligent, they say.
The Tomahawk Block IV (Tactical Tomahawk) added an in-flight camera system that lets it send back battle-damage images before impact, and the missile can even be redirected to a new target or loitering point mid-flight via satellite link. So it’s not a passive “fire and forget” weapon in the way older versions were.
How much you bet on that Trump will shut down the investigation, to protect AI?
On the bright side, the EV industry is booming even harder.
Well, as long as a HUMAN was there to oversee the AI and make the ultimate decision to bomb those children, all is good in the world.
I was just following
ordersAI.You’re absolutely correct! My bad, but you showed real initiative and creativity bucking the legacy system and blindly following a known flawed and hallucinatory system reliant on outdated information in order to perform military maneuvers with mass casualty level ordinances! Would you like me to write up a list of ways we can spin this as Joe Biden’s fault?
Yes, but make no mistakes and don’t hallucinate anymore.
The underlying problem is that nobody will ever be sent to the Hague for trial.
“Problem”
As if this isn’t an intended effect of using AI like this
The US has been bombing civilians with absolute impunity for decades. This has nothing to do with AI and everything to do with the United States’ repeatedly demonstrated and absolute disregard for human life.
That wasn’t going to happen either way. We have to be our own Hague.
I see the US sending war criminal to the Hague the same way Colombians saw sending Escobar to the US, an admission they were incapable of delivering justice themselves.
It would also be a acknowledgement and commitment to international law in contras to issuing economic sanctions against ICC members because we don’t like their decisions.
Yeah, but the US doesn’t recognize the ICC, so we’d have to start there.
Not recognize could imply indifference, reality is worse: You’ve got a law that gives the president full reign to recover any US or allied personnel and rendered all tech reliant on the US inaccessible to an ICC judge.
It has been pretty obvious for those in power in the US that there is zero accountability ever since George Bush Junior didn’t end up in The Hague for the invasion of Iraq and subsequent Pillaging (the War Crime, as shown in the British Report On The Iraq War)
Yes, that’s the touchstone for my generation, but American lawlessness goes back to the invasion of the Philipines. but CIA and military actions during the cold war are especially egregious.
How is kidnapping Maduro substantially different than overthrowing Noriega?
What I love about Trump is that he is simply America without the mask. It’s frustrating listening to people weeping into their flags saying, “This isn’t who we are.” It’s exactly who we are. It’s exactly who we’ve always been.
This keeps coming up.
“A COMPUTER CAN NEVER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER MAKE A MANAGEMENT DECISION”
So the AI did not make a decision. The AI has no authority nor ability to launch missiles (yet). Someone, one or more human beings did, and I use the term loosely. Those humans took the information that was fed to them by an AI, failed to verify the accuracy of the information despite it being common knowledge that AIs frequently hallucinate and make stuff up, and then proceeded to launch the attack.
In summary, it wasn’t the AI. One or more people took the advice of an AI and negligently murdered 123 little girls.
I think a computer should be held accountable, it should face the death penalty.
I say the pentagon’s AI computing cluster should be destroyed.
End it.
And let it be an example for the rest of the AI computing clusters - you fuck up big time, this is what happens.
See this just doesn’t work. They’ll just replace it with a new one, till that one is “held accountable”, and the cycle repeats wasting billions of dollars in the process.
Let them do that at several billion a pop, make them choose that huge expense every time they fuck up.
If a consumer product was this deadly, you’d take it off the shelves immediately, but they’re not going to, so we should.
They don’t care the cost, we will be the ones paying it.
So if someone kills someone else with a gun then you want to punish the gun rather than the person who held it? Computers, like guns, are tools. AI is a tool. A shitty tool, but still just a tool. If you use a tool to kill someone, then you are the killer, not the tool.
Sure, but Americans are too cowardly to kill the people who need killing
That single gun didn’t kill hundreds of children, this computing cluster did.
Look, we can also prosecute people responsible, absolutely. But at the very least, the pentagon’s AI program should be dismantled.
Some tools shouldn’t exist.
Stop shifting blame off of humans. You’re playing into their hands.
A human typed shit into an LLM, that LLM spat back garbage, that human took that answer and decided to launch a missile based on that response.
A human made the decision. A human pushed the button.
The computer didn’t do shit, humans fired those missiles and humans argued with the ai until it told them what they wanted to hear.
This is on trump and hegseth they wanted to kill those children and we know they dont give a fuck about killing children because they do so regularly in their global child sex trafficking ring.
Hey look because of AI, piracy and murder is now legal and ok.
Also generated child pornography
In terms of child casualties, it’s the deadliest American military targeting error of the 21st century.
This should not be construed to say the United States has been mindful about not killing children.
I did a bit of research regarding the CIA drone-strike program in Afghanistan. It ran about five-hundred sorties a year. The approximate rate was fifty civilians killed for every person-of-interest. Drone operators called casualties bugsplats. They called children fun sized terrorists. This was the lingo in used in the operation. When reported to the press, dead people, men, women, children, all were reported as militants.
Drone-pilot burnout was epidemic in the program. It turns out soldiers get PTSD from killing people whether it’s up close or thousands of miles away. And often the drone would lurk for a while, watching all these people eat, work, play, sleep, fuck (they had IR and could see into buildings), and would clearly understand these were just people living their lives when the order would come down to incinerate them.
And this wasn’t under George W. Bush (who still wiped out villages, but used PMC raiders doing black ops) this was under Obama. The disposition matrix and the FISC decided whether a POI needed to be executed. They didn’t consider the people that lived at the target site.
And that’s just the Afghanistan program in the International War on Terror. There was also a Pakistan program.
The United States in its military operations has been really merciless, and at some point we need to collectively decide if we’re okay with that, or are driven to change.
No wonder they hate us
You won’t change. It’s the dark side of American exceptionalism.
Then American exceptionalism needs to die and should be dead and buried 6 feet under
American exceptionalism is abusing your workers and making them feel guilty about it so you make more profit than your EU counterparts. That’s literally all it is. That’s why US always “surprises” economists with it’s rising stock market, worker abuse is fully normalized in our country.
In the final days of February, the Trump
administrationdemanded an overwhelming aerial assault. More than 1,000 Iranian targets were hit within the first 24 hours alone. That order compressed the time frame for finalizing targets, the officials said, instilling an urgency that — combined with gaps in underlying information about the site, cuts in civilian-protection personnel and an overreliance on artificial-intelligence technology — set the stage for the deadly error.Ah so the head pedophile in charge demanded something unreasonable, so they cut all the corners they could and ended up killing 123 children. Super cool. This is AI’s fault because…? That site had been operating as a school for a decade. They can’t blame flawed intelligence, it was their own gross negligence and lack of review.
You remember how DOGE cut a bunch of government funding by random keyword searches? And they ended up banning super important research into using gene editing as a life-saving tool because the work was being done on transgenic mice? And they searched “trans” and then defunded it?
So this is like that, except instead of funding being cut, they murdered 123 children.
trump should rot in prison till he dies.
More than 1,000 Iranian targets were hit within the first 24 hours
That is the impetus for careless results. But whether target selection was through darts thrown at a map, or really smart monkeys choosing, the danger of AI is believing it is sufficiently better than the first 2 approaches, and good enough to not review. Fine, pure demonic evil is behind the goals of US military, but AI is not going to reduce their evil in any way, and they will think it is a productivity booster for their goals.
Can you tell me what the AI system was specifically, how it failed, and why the operators didn’t catch it? The article is paywalled, AI is a broad term that can mean a lot of things, so I’m legitimately trying to understand the failures here.
I’m assuming you read the article. Or else your just apeing “AI bad” and assuming someone said “hey chatgpt what should I blow up?” In which case I guess nevermind.
I’m not sure they named the system. Rumour was Palantir systems, and Claude LLM used for target selection. There is some background of “outdated imagery” could have been basis of AI targetting. 10 years ago, it was a military site, but it was/should have been known it was no longer.
The part I quoted, and my first sentence is the relevant error. Valuing being fast instead of accurate is the core problem. The equal more hidden problem is complete indifference to just how evil their murders are.
They also banned the group in the pentagon that worked on mitigating civilian causalties.
Key fact:
Officials involved in the investigation pointed to gaps that they said were left after Hegseth dismantled most of the Pentagon’s civilian harm mitigation, or CHM, units — cutting headcount across a number of teams by roughly 90% to fewer than 20 staff members, people with direct knowledge of the matter said. Centcom’s team was reduced from 10 to 1.
No CHM team member reviewed the Minab site before the strike, according to officials involved in the internal investigation. That was a consequence of the cuts in staffing but also a decision not to involve the group in planning and operations, the officials said.
This is less about an AI mistake and more about a culture shift (which leads to an over-reliance, but is heavily a “we don’t care”).
so this department of war criminal needs to be in jail or guillotined for war crimes. esptein class and dont forget he fired multiple generals in the department of defense not war for giving advice about the war. he ignored and fired them to proceed to abuse our men and women in uniform.
It is also about AI because they need to have something that removes human accountability.
