Hate to be that guy, but, legally speaking, that’s a pistol, not a rifle.
If you own guns, or want to, it’s an important distinction to make. That firearm is less than 26 total inches. Minus the suppressor and pistol brace, which are removable and don’t count. Therefore, you can have it loaded in a vehicle.
I’ll also add, it’s more than likely a .300blk AR15 pistol with a suppressor, and if you want to talk about a gun for the people, that’s it. Except for maybe a 12 gauge, I will concede that.
However, in order to carry a pistol, you need a conceal and carry license.
So yeah, this is a pistol, it has a shoulder brace, not a proper buttstock, its basically a very thin piece of plastic that is intentionally designed to be uncomfortable to use as an actual buttstock.
If this person wanted to put a real buttstock on it, well, they’d have to apply to register the weapon as a short barreled rifle, which costs money and takes time, and gets you on a registry.
Now, you say that to carry this weapon, a pistol, you need a concealed carry permit.
… Things get really complicated here depending on your exact location in the US, but uh… what this guy is doing is called open carry.
As in, it isn’t concealed. It is plainly visible, open for all to see.
Broadly speaking… as long as you are not brandishing the weapon, threatening others with it, committing crimes while open carrying, not in like a school zone or something… in many parts of the country, this is legal, and you don’t need a CC permit for it.
I don’t know exactly how it works in Minneapolis though, and the technicalities of this get astonishingly complex very fast.
But yeah the original idea of a Concealed Carry permit… is that it is for weapons that are not plainly visible, not on an externally visible holster, but are instead in some kind of holster inside your vest, under your shirt, deep in a pocket, etc.
Also also, for any confused ‘leftists’:
Marx & Engels:
The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon and ammunition, and the revival of the old-style citizens’ militia, directed against the workers, must be opposed.
Where the formation of this militia cannot be prevented, the workers must try to organize themselves independently as a proletarian guard, with elected leaders and with their own elected general staff; they must try to place themselves not under the orders of the state authority but of the revolutionary local councils set up by the workers.
Where the workers are employed by the state, they must arm and organize themselves into special corps with elected leaders, or as a part of the proletarian guard.
Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
Yeah uh thats actually more of a pro-gun sentiment than what is currently legal in the US.
Marx is saying that the proles … should have cannons.
You know, where the modern equivalent would be like, a field artillery piece, a howitzer.
Unless that guy is a Smurf in whiteface, that is definitely more than 26". It’s probably a 16" barrel, the minimum to not be a SBR. It might be more like a 12" barrel, making it an SBR. It looks like most AR-15s are ~19" plus the barrel, so probably ~35" overall length once you include the suppressor. That’s a screw-on stock, so it’s technically removable, but so is everything else.
Okay, so I built these. Professionally for a time. It’s probably a 10.5” barrel, because that’s basically the limit for a AR pistol. No one puts a pistol brace on a SBR, if you have a SBR, you’d run a normal stock.
Also, the suppressor is not included in overall firearm length. Neither is the brace.
Edit: I’ll add, what the fuck is a screw on stock? The entire buffer system runs though that tube. Nothing screws onto that. The buffer tube screws into the receiver, but, I’ve never heard of a screw on AR stock.
2nd edit: here’s a picture of my not rifle next to my rifle. Yes, it’s pedantic, but, with people wanting to learn, I want to inform.
The measurement is from the rear of the buffer tube to the tip of the barrel without the muzzle device (or with, if pin and weld).
That’s also a pistol brace, not a stock at all, and it doesn’t screw on it slips over the buffer tube. The buffer tube is screwed into the lower and held on by a properly torqued castle nut and an endplate that is (hopefully) properly staked, but being that those are essential for the function of the firearm (while the brace and muzzle device are not), that is the measurement the ATF uses.
If it’s an SBR he should put a stock on it, but since it has a pistol brace I’m betting he hasn’t filed for a tax stamp on it yet, other than the can of course.
Hate to be that guy, but, legally speaking, that’s a pistol, not a rifle.
If you own guns, or want to, it’s an important distinction to make. That firearm is less than 26 total inches. Minus the suppressor and pistol brace, which are removable and don’t count. Therefore, you can have it loaded in a vehicle.
I’ll also add, it’s more than likely a .300blk AR15 pistol with a suppressor, and if you want to talk about a gun for the people, that’s it. Except for maybe a 12 gauge, I will concede that.
However, in order to carry a pistol, you need a conceal and carry license.
We can carry concealed or not here without a permit. All states are not the same.
Minnesota you cannot. Which is where this is.
Fuck, I was gonna make this comment.
So yeah, this is a pistol, it has a shoulder brace, not a proper buttstock, its basically a very thin piece of plastic that is intentionally designed to be uncomfortable to use as an actual buttstock.
If this person wanted to put a real buttstock on it, well, they’d have to apply to register the weapon as a short barreled rifle, which costs money and takes time, and gets you on a registry.
Now, you say that to carry this weapon, a pistol, you need a concealed carry permit.
… Things get really complicated here depending on your exact location in the US, but uh… what this guy is doing is called open carry.
As in, it isn’t concealed. It is plainly visible, open for all to see.
Broadly speaking… as long as you are not brandishing the weapon, threatening others with it, committing crimes while open carrying, not in like a school zone or something… in many parts of the country, this is legal, and you don’t need a CC permit for it.
I don’t know exactly how it works in Minneapolis though, and the technicalities of this get astonishingly complex very fast.
But yeah the original idea of a Concealed Carry permit… is that it is for weapons that are not plainly visible, not on an externally visible holster, but are instead in some kind of holster inside your vest, under your shirt, deep in a pocket, etc.
Also also, for any confused ‘leftists’:
Marx & Engels:
Yeah uh thats actually more of a pro-gun sentiment than what is currently legal in the US.
Marx is saying that the proles … should have cannons.
You know, where the modern equivalent would be like, a field artillery piece, a howitzer.
I do know how it works in Minneapolis/MN. I live here and operated a FFL that sold custom AR-15s.
I do appreciate the additional context for the rest of the country though. It is vastly different state to state.
Ah ok!
So… is open carry … functionally legal in MN/Minneapolis? Or… is it basically not? Or is it contentious and complicated?
Complicated. Largely can’t do it without a permit.
Huh! Ok, fair enough.
Most states don’t require a permit to concealed carry (but they do in MN)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry
And practically speaking that’s not a pistol nor should you keep it loaded in your vehicle.
I’m not arguing that.
your not arguing anything
Fair point
Unless that guy is a Smurf in whiteface, that is definitely more than 26".
It’s probably a 16" barrel, the minimum to not be a SBR.It might be more like a 12" barrel, making it an SBR. It looks like most AR-15s are ~19" plus the barrel, so probably ~35" overall length once you include the suppressor. That’s a screw-on stock, so it’s technically removable, but so is everything else.Okay, so I built these. Professionally for a time. It’s probably a 10.5” barrel, because that’s basically the limit for a AR pistol. No one puts a pistol brace on a SBR, if you have a SBR, you’d run a normal stock.
Also, the suppressor is not included in overall firearm length. Neither is the brace.
Edit: I’ll add, what the fuck is a screw on stock? The entire buffer system runs though that tube. Nothing screws onto that. The buffer tube screws into the receiver, but, I’ve never heard of a screw on AR stock.
2nd edit: here’s a picture of my not rifle next to my rifle. Yes, it’s pedantic, but, with people wanting to learn, I want to inform.
The measurement is from the rear of the buffer tube to the tip of the barrel without the muzzle device (or with, if pin and weld).
That’s also a pistol brace, not a stock at all, and it doesn’t screw on it slips over the buffer tube. The buffer tube is screwed into the lower and held on by a properly torqued castle nut and an endplate that is (hopefully) properly staked, but being that those are essential for the function of the firearm (while the brace and muzzle device are not), that is the measurement the ATF uses.
If it’s an SBR he should put a stock on it, but since it has a pistol brace I’m betting he hasn’t filed for a tax stamp on it yet, other than the can of course.