SpaceX stock falls below its $135 IPO price to $115.26, giving short sellers $15.5 billion in paper profits as traders double down on bearish market bets.
$15.5B dollars, invented out of ether, and bestowed on the lucky gamblers. The stock market is so efficient that it can create wealth without bothering with economic activity. No jobs created; no products produced; and nothing to trickle down.
Unlike the market cap numbers that get thrown around when people say X dollars “destroyed” from the stock market or Y dollars “gained”, this isn’t nearly as imaginary (or invented out of ether).
Depending on whether we’re talking about real shorting, or put options, it’s one of two things:
They borrowed expensive SpaceX shares, sold them, bought back for cheaper, the people who bought shares at the higher price paid for it.
They bought put options and exercised them. The bank or financial organization selling the put options paid for it.
Now I went to actually read the article and this particular number was #1, but I’m sure a lot of people profited through #2 as well (the wallstreetbets types).
I did #2 except I didn’t exercise, I just sold it to someone else when the pice was up a bit on my small bet. I like to think that circuitously, Elon bought me a few lunches because screw that guy
Short sellers are an important part of the equity ecosystem as it provides downward pressure in price discovery. Lucky gamblers have made, and are making, far more than that with long positions in equity and options.
It’s difficult to say that we don’t need markets at all (e.g. would you plant cotton with no idea what it will sell for at harvest?). It then becomes a slippery slope of abuse and wealth concentration.
If anything this all feels like a failure of regulation and the SEC not going far enough
Investment provides resource allocation, which is not something that just happens on its own. That is, it says “this company or project is a worthwhile project to allocate capital to, and this is not”. The money here was also not invented out of ether, but rather lost by investors who shifted capital to SpaceX earlier, and gained by those who tried to shift capital away from SpaceX earlier; other investors came to agree with those shifting capital away. Those who do so earlier are rewarded; this encourages earlier efficient movement of capital.
Resource allocation is a necessary part of economic activity; any economic system will require such a thing to be done. You could have your government do it instead of investors, as in a command economy. Countries generally don’t do that, because it has run into more serious problems of misallocation.
$15.5B dollars, invented out of ether, and bestowed on the lucky gamblers. The stock market is so efficient that it can create wealth without bothering with economic activity. No jobs created; no products produced; and nothing to trickle down.
Unlike the market cap numbers that get thrown around when people say X dollars “destroyed” from the stock market or Y dollars “gained”, this isn’t nearly as imaginary (or invented out of ether).
Depending on whether we’re talking about real shorting, or put options, it’s one of two things:
They borrowed expensive SpaceX shares, sold them, bought back for cheaper, the people who bought shares at the higher price paid for it.
They bought put options and exercised them. The bank or financial organization selling the put options paid for it.
Now I went to actually read the article and this particular number was #1, but I’m sure a lot of people profited through #2 as well (the wallstreetbets types).
It’s not just institutional investors selling put options. Lots of risk taking retail traders do it as well.
I did #2 except I didn’t exercise, I just sold it to someone else when the pice was up a bit on my small bet. I like to think that circuitously, Elon bought me a few lunches because screw that guy
Not invented, siphoned off from those who can’t game the system like they can. That means you and me.
You can make money off the stock market just as they do. I’m doing it.
Although I don’t short stocks. I just buy and hold.
That’s what used to be called a scam.
Some still do
Short sellers are an important part of the equity ecosystem as it provides downward pressure in price discovery. Lucky gamblers have made, and are making, far more than that with long positions in equity and options.
It’s difficult to say that we don’t need markets at all (e.g. would you plant cotton with no idea what it will sell for at harvest?). It then becomes a slippery slope of abuse and wealth concentration.
If anything this all feels like a failure of regulation and the SEC not going far enough
That’s what stock markets are right now.
Investment provides resource allocation, which is not something that just happens on its own. That is, it says “this company or project is a worthwhile project to allocate capital to, and this is not”. The money here was also not invented out of ether, but rather lost by investors who shifted capital to SpaceX earlier, and gained by those who tried to shift capital away from SpaceX earlier; other investors came to agree with those shifting capital away. Those who do so earlier are rewarded; this encourages earlier efficient movement of capital.
Resource allocation is a necessary part of economic activity; any economic system will require such a thing to be done. You could have your government do it instead of investors, as in a command economy. Countries generally don’t do that, because it has run into more serious problems of misallocation.
It provides a service of figuring out what the value of spacex really is.
Why that service is allowed to generate so much money for people is bonkers to me.