The story I’ve always been told, even in our schools, is that they took him away and shot him and charged his family for the bullet. Was he not executed?
Nah, he was never identified. Why should they kill him? The event happened the day after the supposed massacre, he stood infront of tanks leaving the square.
There was no violence on the square itself btw. Violence only started when the protesters started lynching unarmed soldiers, stealing military vehicles, throwing benzin bombs and looted a arms depot. Overall about 300 people died in the street battles around the square, lots of them soldiers among them.
This is supported by every eyewitness, chinese and non-chinese.
The offical western version is from the british government in Hong Kong and no eye witnesses support it.
Worth noting that the main instigators were spirited away by the US and live comfortable there. A bit before the events the previously unknown NGO National Endowment for Democracy(NED) opened a bureau in HK. Shortly after the events the bureau was closed. NED is the regime change arm of the CIA, created because it got a bit suspicious how all those “democracy adovcates” and "oppositional parties"turned out to get money from the CIA. The financing and training is now done by the NED.
my school didn’t even bother to teach that the event happened, at most they might have had a poster of the photo up somewhere, like a motivational poster or w/e.
So now that you know they had absolutely no basis for that story, hopefully you will be more skeptical next time about atrocity propaganda about our “geopolitical enemies”.
I don’t think anyone even knows his name, let alone his fate. It’s probably an assumption someone made and spread around. Like how I was never told his fate and we were left to assume he got run over by the tank when we were told about that incident, and it turns out that’s not true either.
Oh wow. You’re right. You’d think the Americans would have found out the dudes name as they lionized this fucking guy. He probably DID get executed or imprisoned, but the way just outright lies are taught in our Canadian schools even is disturbing as fuck to me.
Why do you think this? there’s no evidence of it, that assumptions is based on vibes garnered through op-eds in billionaire owned media and Hollywood movies not in objective fact and reality
Are you still of the opinion that China is more ‘authoritarian’ than the US?
And the existence of actual videos and hard evidence of the US state murdering peaceful protestors over the last few months and years, and the closest comparison you can find for China is a person not getting killed by state forces 46 years ago? or how about the recent Hong Kong protests where 200,000 to 500,000 people protested against the state for months and not a single one was killed by Chinese state forces?
No, I am very much pro China and very much of the opinion that the US is far more authoritarian and Evil than anyone can claim post revolution China ever has been. Y’all made a lot of annoying and ridiculous assumptions based on one wishy washy comment. I am very much an anti American communist.
Lol you’re so “anti Amerikan communist” that you’ve repeatedly ignored other comrades educating you while also doubling down on the Amerikan propaganda.
He was some random guy who got pulled away by bystanders in a period before mass surveillance was possible and when everyone involved was really fucking tired of all the fighting and wanted to go home and rest. What racist brainworm is piloting your body to make you say shit like “he was probably executed?” What evidence leads you to that conclusion? Check yourself.
I mean, if they did catch him, it’d make a whole lot of sense to remove any possibility of him further embarrassing the state by becoming a western propaganda mouthpiece, and you’ve got to remember this was a very extreme, near-existential crisis where radical measures were taken in response. Other leaders were also executed too, though after trials as far as I’m aware.
Not saying it happened, and we’ll never know either way, but it’s not a completely outlandish idea that the MSS would just off him had they found him.
There is nothing that suggests he was anything more than a random passer-by (as evidenced by the shopping bags he was carrying). And an elderly one at that. That means he was very likely not part of the student protests, and certainly not one of its leaders.
If the Chinese government was to arrest and punish someone it would be the leaders/instigators of the color revolution attempt. And they would not simply “disappear” them, they would make sure to put them on trial. That is much more effective at a) exposing them as traitors to the nation and agents of foreign powers, and b) dissuading others from associating with their movement.
Unfortunately, Western intelligence agencies smuggled most of the main leaders/instigators out of the country and subsequently gave them high paying jobs in the West. As for the “tank man”, there is no reason to assume that anything more happened to him than continuing to live his normal life. More than likely he was, as most elderly Chinese people are, extremely patriotic. We do not even know why he wanted to talk to the tank driver.
Please recognize that unfounded and baseless narratives constructed around that footage have been used by anti-China propagandists to drum up sinophobia and anti-communist sentiments. We do not need to be feeding into that with sensationalist speculation. Stick to what is factual and reasonable.
Why isn’t the penalty for blocking traffic a fine? What about community service, or probation? He’s obviously not part of the protests or the militants, since they are several blocks away from Tiannamen Square. Why does your mind immediately jump to execution?
You know deep in your heart why. Confronting racist things you were taught doesn’t make you a bad person—introspection is good!
My mind jumps to that because thats what our propaganda has told us. Obviously. It’s what we are talking about here specifically. Race does not factor in here at ground level.
By what mechanism do you propose he was found and executed? The guy in the tank draws a masterpiece from memory and then the cops go door to door throughout the entire city to find this guy who… climbed on a tank? Really?
If there’s no evidence either way, apply Occams Razor. Less events have to line up for him to just having vanished among the population, thus making this outcome the likely one.
Idk, pure speculation. But its equally as likely that the Americans have full blown lied about the entire situation, and the evidence does seem to support that.
He didn’t die. The tanks stopped.
Multiple times even, they trie dto drive around him, but he moved infront of them again, so they stopped again.
WHOAH whoah whoah whoah, whoah, wait a minute… okay, so, uh… okay, let me see if I got this. When you say,
What you REALLY mean is,
Is this right???
Nah they ACTUALLY meant “you are evil tankie shill”
The story I’ve always been told, even in our schools, is that they took him away and shot him and charged his family for the bullet. Was he not executed?
Nah, he was never identified. Why should they kill him? The event happened the day after the supposed massacre, he stood infront of tanks leaving the square.
There was no violence on the square itself btw. Violence only started when the protesters started lynching unarmed soldiers, stealing military vehicles, throwing benzin bombs and looted a arms depot. Overall about 300 people died in the street battles around the square, lots of them soldiers among them.
This is supported by every eyewitness, chinese and non-chinese.
The offical western version is from the british government in Hong Kong and no eye witnesses support it.
Worth noting that the main instigators were spirited away by the US and live comfortable there. A bit before the events the previously unknown NGO National Endowment for Democracy(NED) opened a bureau in HK. Shortly after the events the bureau was closed. NED is the regime change arm of the CIA, created because it got a bit suspicious how all those “democracy adovcates” and "oppositional parties"turned out to get money from the CIA. The financing and training is now done by the NED.
my school didn’t even bother to teach that the event happened, at most they might have had a poster of the photo up somewhere, like a motivational poster or w/e.
So now that you know they had absolutely no basis for that story, hopefully you will be more skeptical next time about atrocity propaganda about our “geopolitical enemies”.
I don’t think anyone even knows his name, let alone his fate. It’s probably an assumption someone made and spread around. Like how I was never told his fate and we were left to assume he got run over by the tank when we were told about that incident, and it turns out that’s not true either.
Oh wow. You’re right. You’d think the Americans would have found out the dudes name as they lionized this fucking guy. He probably DID get executed or imprisoned, but the way just outright lies are taught in our Canadian schools even is disturbing as fuck to me.
There’s flatout no evidence of anything happening to the dude. Most likely nothing happened to him
Why do you think this? there’s no evidence of it, that assumptions is based on vibes garnered through op-eds in billionaire owned media and Hollywood movies not in objective fact and reality
Are you still of the opinion that China is more ‘authoritarian’ than the US?
Despite the US dropping 46 bombs a day on average and China not being in a war for 46 years.
And the existence of actual videos and hard evidence of the US state murdering peaceful protestors over the last few months and years, and the closest comparison you can find for China is a person not getting killed by state forces 46 years ago? or how about the recent Hong Kong protests where 200,000 to 500,000 people protested against the state for months and not a single one was killed by Chinese state forces?
The power of propaganda truly is astonishing
No, I am very much pro China and very much of the opinion that the US is far more authoritarian and Evil than anyone can claim post revolution China ever has been. Y’all made a lot of annoying and ridiculous assumptions based on one wishy washy comment. I am very much an anti American communist.
I made no assumptions about your stance, that’s why I explicitly asked what it was
Lol you’re so “anti Amerikan communist” that you’ve repeatedly ignored other comrades educating you while also doubling down on the Amerikan propaganda.
He was some random guy who got pulled away by bystanders in a period before mass surveillance was possible and when everyone involved was really fucking tired of all the fighting and wanted to go home and rest. What racist brainworm is piloting your body to make you say shit like “he was probably executed?” What evidence leads you to that conclusion? Check yourself.
the vast majority of people in china are executed, often many times a month, so it’s just simple math
President Xi personally executes all those who do not execute themselves.
it’s pretty common to be executing one week then getting executed the next.
still better than north korea, where there’s only one executioner in the whole country and everyone has to get behind him and push
The executioner also doubles as the only train in the country!
I mean, if they did catch him, it’d make a whole lot of sense to remove any possibility of him further embarrassing the state by becoming a western propaganda mouthpiece, and you’ve got to remember this was a very extreme, near-existential crisis where radical measures were taken in response. Other leaders were also executed too, though after trials as far as I’m aware.
Not saying it happened, and we’ll never know either way, but it’s not a completely outlandish idea that the MSS would just off him had they found him.
Other leaders were not executed, because the US smuggled them out of country into the US where they live comfortably to this day.
There is nothing that suggests he was anything more than a random passer-by (as evidenced by the shopping bags he was carrying). And an elderly one at that. That means he was very likely not part of the student protests, and certainly not one of its leaders.
If the Chinese government was to arrest and punish someone it would be the leaders/instigators of the color revolution attempt. And they would not simply “disappear” them, they would make sure to put them on trial. That is much more effective at a) exposing them as traitors to the nation and agents of foreign powers, and b) dissuading others from associating with their movement.
Unfortunately, Western intelligence agencies smuggled most of the main leaders/instigators out of the country and subsequently gave them high paying jobs in the West. As for the “tank man”, there is no reason to assume that anything more happened to him than continuing to live his normal life. More than likely he was, as most elderly Chinese people are, extremely patriotic. We do not even know why he wanted to talk to the tank driver.
Please recognize that unfounded and baseless narratives constructed around that footage have been used by anti-China propagandists to drum up sinophobia and anti-communist sentiments. We do not need to be feeding into that with sensationalist speculation. Stick to what is factual and reasonable.
Assuming there could have been consequences for breaking the law is not “racist”.
Why isn’t the penalty for blocking traffic a fine? What about community service, or probation? He’s obviously not part of the protests or the militants, since they are several blocks away from Tiannamen Square. Why does your mind immediately jump to execution?
You know deep in your heart why. Confronting racist things you were taught doesn’t make you a bad person—introspection is good!
My mind jumps to that because thats what our propaganda has told us. Obviously. It’s what we are talking about here specifically. Race does not factor in here at ground level.
It does, actually. You’re just unaware of it.
By what mechanism do you propose he was found and executed? The guy in the tank draws a masterpiece from memory and then the cops go door to door throughout the entire city to find this guy who… climbed on a tank? Really?
It’s possible it was plainclothes MSS officers who pulled him away, not fellow civilians.
No evidence either way though, beyond Jiang Zemin very nonchalantly admitting that the CPC had no idea who he was, so…
If there’s no evidence either way, apply Occams Razor. Less events have to line up for him to just having vanished among the population, thus making this outcome the likely one.
And you think that because…? It seems your anticommunist education is still working as intended.
Idk, pure speculation. But its equally as likely that the Americans have full blown lied about the entire situation, and the evidence does seem to support that.
“Pure speculation” based on ignorance and a subconscious racist bias
Edit: so you’re just going to downvote and not engage with a single thing I’ve said huh? lmao. you’re a lib and a coward