As part of the plan, the US has in principle agreed to lift all primary and secondary sanctions against Iran and to withdraw US combat forces from all bases in the region, the council said according to state media.
Yeah… none of this will happen. I hate Trump and this illegal war is abhorrent. That said, if you take Iranian state media at face value I have a bridge to sell you.
All they can do is say “this is what the two liars are saying, we don’t know what will happen”
Not really… that is exactly what I meant about the capitulation of journalism. Sure they can say something like “Trump claims the sky is green; however, multiple observations, expert testimony and reality immediately confirms this claim to be false”… instead, they just quote the lie and move on.
I get that they cannot really confirm everything, but they are not even trying anymore. There is no questioning, there is no challenge… they just echo what is posted on Tweets or whatever other garbage platform and call themselves journalists
At the VERY LEAST, they should always add the disclaimer that no evidence was provided whenever parroting a known liar
Yeah, none of that is at all possible, but I have to hand it to Iran saying it. They know Trump just makes shit up, so they made some shit up. Now the US can confirm, deny, or be silent. Confirm? Win. Deny? Nobody believes the US anymore. Silence is weakness and/or confirmation.
It’s exactly a Trump negotiation tactic. Just state your wishlist as fact, let the other side sputter and deny, then call them names and walk all over them while they look weak and unreliable. Iran watched and learned.
Or do one even better and stay silent while also threatening any media outlets that report the terms. Now you get weakness, confirmation, and lying all in one package with a ribbon bow on top.
My thoughts exactly. There are multiple points in the plan that I just can’t see as being tenable long-term. The readiness the US accepted it sounds like a delay to either get the stock market back up or for those Marines to get across the ocean. I doubt the ceasefire makes it the full two weeks.
To a degree it’s already happened. US forces retreated from a lot of bases when they started getting drone attacks. So they’d have to actively move back to the Iranian border regions.
The sanctions and the rest will be a whole bigger thing that probably won’t happen in full.
Not really concerned about the sanctions, no one should be doing buisness with the US or US affiliated countries anyways, but the US withdrawing would be really swell.
I recognize that as some part of a saying indicating someone is gullible, but don’t actually know the source. I know this is off-topic, but where does this come from?
Yeah… none of this will happen. I hate Trump and this illegal war is abhorrent. That said, if you take Iranian state media at face value I have a bridge to sell you.
That is a huge issue today… American state media and Iran state media are basically guaranteed to be lying.
If you add the complete capitulation of journalism in general, there is not a single source of information that can actually be trusted.
I guess we MAY see what actually happened based on what reality displays
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Not really… that is exactly what I meant about the capitulation of journalism. Sure they can say something like “Trump claims the sky is green; however, multiple observations, expert testimony and reality immediately confirms this claim to be false”… instead, they just quote the lie and move on.
I get that they cannot really confirm everything, but they are not even trying anymore. There is no questioning, there is no challenge… they just echo what is posted on Tweets or whatever other garbage platform and call themselves journalists
At the VERY LEAST, they should always add the disclaimer that no evidence was provided whenever parroting a known liar
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Well I do not know where you are from but your journalists seem to have stayed professionals!
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Time to learn Finnish it seems ahhahaha
Thanks for the link, refreshing to see actual logic and plain discourse in display
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Not a meme for those interested…
This piece of shit of a human actually complained about being fact checked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipxF918BjWQ
Vance and Trump’s performances at the debates were the worst I"ve ever seen. By far.
Vance crying about being fact checked.
Trump saying he has concepts of plans and rambling on about immigrants eating people’s pets.
And then they were elected. The U.S. truly is a clown nation.
Worse than Biden’s “We finally beat Medicare”?
Biden’s debate performance was so bad that it got Trump elected.
NPR generally still does a good job of this, which is why Republicans worked so hard to defund them
They could report what’s happening on the ground first, and statements second.
Yeah, none of that is at all possible, but I have to hand it to Iran saying it. They know Trump just makes shit up, so they made some shit up. Now the US can confirm, deny, or be silent. Confirm? Win. Deny? Nobody believes the US anymore. Silence is weakness and/or confirmation.
It’s exactly a Trump negotiation tactic. Just state your wishlist as fact, let the other side sputter and deny, then call them names and walk all over them while they look weak and unreliable. Iran watched and learned.
Or do one even better and stay silent while also threatening any media outlets that report the terms. Now you get weakness, confirmation, and lying all in one package with a ribbon bow on top.
My thoughts exactly. There are multiple points in the plan that I just can’t see as being tenable long-term. The readiness the US accepted it sounds like a delay to either get the stock market back up or for those Marines to get across the ocean. I doubt the ceasefire makes it the full two weeks.
Unfortunately Iran is less untrustworthy than the US at this moment, even though they’re both definitely lying
The announcement must have came via ai Lego diss track. People seem pretty enamored with those
Win the meme battle, win the war.
If the past decade has taught me anything it is that meme magic is real
In the olden days, meme magic was called propaganda, and yes, it works if done correctly.
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I read that as Lego DLSS track and was hella confused for a minute.
To a degree it’s already happened. US forces retreated from a lot of bases when they started getting drone attacks. So they’d have to actively move back to the Iranian border regions.
The sanctions and the rest will be a whole bigger thing that probably won’t happen in full.
Don’t know if its true or not but I heard a lot of the bases have been bombed into oblivion at this point.
Not really concerned about the sanctions, no one should be doing buisness with the US or US affiliated countries anyways, but the US withdrawing would be really swell.
I recognize that as some part of a saying indicating someone is gullible, but don’t actually know the source. I know this is off-topic, but where does this come from?
I love etymology, so I looked it up:
Per wikitionary
I’m sure the OED has the correct answer, but here’s a a source about a similar aphorism.
Yeah. Dummies hate Trump so much they blindly believe and support anybody in opposition to him.