How can you not give in to impulses and not believe that the solution is to resort to violence when you read certain things knowing that there is no justice in the world nor even any court that will ever convict these people.
I always thought the USA would have some of their insane and armed people try that out on a regular scale, but instead they do school shootings and similarly evil acts against total nobodies.
Yeah, IDK how the 2nd A. got usurped to support a fascist takeover when the founders plainly put it in there as a protection for the nation against a hostile government. Somehow the gun nuts decided they wanted revenge for perceived slights like gay people existing and their chosen hostile government was going to hurt everyone for those issues. I mean, I still don’t get it, how these people can’t see reality for what it is, how they’re destroying both the letter and the intent of what the founders of the nation were trying to achieve.
I think people would give in to it should there be some organized effort to do just that. That’s the problem though… that requires people who know how to organize that kind of thing to do it with the entire pedo state three letter agencies trying to dismantle their efforts and incriminate them.
It requires like former military / police people to set up something like that and right now they’re all quite loyal to the pedo state(s).
Yes, this we agree on. It’s likely impossible and we’re running out of time. But that doesn’t mean that violence is an effective solution. It will just accelerate the decline into factionalism, a state in which the wealthy will be even more advantaged.
I disagree a bit here. In factionalism many rich folk will be carved up for other rich folk so there is that. Some folk that think they are on the rich side will finally realize they never were.
The violence is necessary to show others what happens when you betray half of humanity like this. It’s not about punishing them (they’ll never change) but about showing the next generation of would-be money hoarders that society won’t tolerate these parasites anymore.
Right, and how are you ensuring, in this age of intensifying populism, captured information networks and unbridled individualistic greed, that once you release the genie, violence will only be used for that purpose?
It wont and you can’t. When fighting something so entrenched and powerful as the rich, its neccassary to them pull by the roots. Thats often destructive. Nonviolence/apathy are the easy way, and the future is going to get very difficult within the next 10 years.
But who who wield that violence? The oppressors, or the victims?
The trouble is, the world isn’t neatly divided into oppressors and victims. Each human has many, many identities and factional affiliations—mother, Christian, Mongolian, nerd, working class, jogger, AI avoider, manager, voter for whichever party, drug non-user, scientist, tribe member, entrepreneur, posh, conspiracy-recogniser, ethical shopper, activist, Perth resident, woman, etc, etc, etc.
What determines which of those identities is salient at any given time? Which of the lines that cross cut our societies defines who will fight whom when violence becomes the norm? Those are hard questions.
The kind of violence you’re advocating for—populist violence, mob violence—isn’t a targeted, controlled force that you can unleash on a specific target. It’s a breakdown of the social contract, of the sense of safety and trust that keeps people following the co-operative rules of civil society. Before unleashing it, you want to be confident that the lines people will divide along when their lives, their families, their future are at risk are actually rich-vs-poor.
That does not seem likely today. Reasons:
historically, the lines along which our species have divided for violent factionalism have been ethnicity and geography. These are the natural attractors. Convincing the masses to see themselves differently (i.e., the people who look/speak/think differently to me are my friends, the people similar to me but richer are my enemies) when the shit hits the fan takes serious effort and preparation.
the information networks that shape how people identify themselves are controlled by the rich, they are actively working to prevent this.
people today, in my experience, seem to most strongly identify with left-vs-right political affiliation (possibly due to that network manipulation). If anything, this is the fight they’re itching to have: to defeat the other poor people for their different opinions about transsexuality, etc.
The seven richest people in the world all own media networks. They know that violent societal breakdown is a possibility and are much better prepared to channel that chaos to their advantage than you are.
This doesn’t mean that you should give up. But advocating for violence at this point is inviting disaster. That violence will hurt you, not them.
How can you not give in to impulses and not believe that the solution is to resort to violence when you read certain things knowing that there is no justice in the world nor even any court that will ever convict these people.
I always thought the USA would have some of their insane and armed people try that out on a regular scale, but instead they do school shootings and similarly evil acts against total nobodies.
Yeah, IDK how the 2nd A. got usurped to support a fascist takeover when the founders plainly put it in there as a protection for the nation against a hostile government. Somehow the gun nuts decided they wanted revenge for perceived slights like gay people existing and their chosen hostile government was going to hurt everyone for those issues. I mean, I still don’t get it, how these people can’t see reality for what it is, how they’re destroying both the letter and the intent of what the founders of the nation were trying to achieve.
I think people would give in to it should there be some organized effort to do just that. That’s the problem though… that requires people who know how to organize that kind of thing to do it with the entire pedo state three letter agencies trying to dismantle their efforts and incriminate them.
It requires like former military / police people to set up something like that and right now they’re all quite loyal to the pedo state(s).
Because violence won’t solve the problem. We need global coordination. Violence just turns us into squabbling regional and ethnic factions.
And how exactly would we achieve this ‘global coordination’ you’re mentioning, how long will it take,because I don’t think we got much time left
Yes, this we agree on. It’s likely impossible and we’re running out of time. But that doesn’t mean that violence is an effective solution. It will just accelerate the decline into factionalism, a state in which the wealthy will be even more advantaged.
I disagree a bit here. In factionalism many rich folk will be carved up for other rich folk so there is that. Some folk that think they are on the rich side will finally realize they never were.
That would be nice 🙂
The violence is necessary to show others what happens when you betray half of humanity like this. It’s not about punishing them (they’ll never change) but about showing the next generation of would-be money hoarders that society won’t tolerate these parasites anymore.
Right, and how are you ensuring, in this age of intensifying populism, captured information networks and unbridled individualistic greed, that once you release the genie, violence will only be used for that purpose?
It wont and you can’t. When fighting something so entrenched and powerful as the rich, its neccassary to them pull by the roots. Thats often destructive. Nonviolence/apathy are the easy way, and the future is going to get very difficult within the next 10 years.
But who who wield that violence? The oppressors, or the victims?
The trouble is, the world isn’t neatly divided into oppressors and victims. Each human has many, many identities and factional affiliations—mother, Christian, Mongolian, nerd, working class, jogger, AI avoider, manager, voter for whichever party, drug non-user, scientist, tribe member, entrepreneur, posh, conspiracy-recogniser, ethical shopper, activist, Perth resident, woman, etc, etc, etc.
What determines which of those identities is salient at any given time? Which of the lines that cross cut our societies defines who will fight whom when violence becomes the norm? Those are hard questions.
The kind of violence you’re advocating for—populist violence, mob violence—isn’t a targeted, controlled force that you can unleash on a specific target. It’s a breakdown of the social contract, of the sense of safety and trust that keeps people following the co-operative rules of civil society. Before unleashing it, you want to be confident that the lines people will divide along when their lives, their families, their future are at risk are actually rich-vs-poor.
That does not seem likely today. Reasons:
historically, the lines along which our species have divided for violent factionalism have been ethnicity and geography. These are the natural attractors. Convincing the masses to see themselves differently (i.e., the people who look/speak/think differently to me are my friends, the people similar to me but richer are my enemies) when the shit hits the fan takes serious effort and preparation.
the information networks that shape how people identify themselves are controlled by the rich, they are actively working to prevent this.
people today, in my experience, seem to most strongly identify with left-vs-right political affiliation (possibly due to that network manipulation). If anything, this is the fight they’re itching to have: to defeat the other poor people for their different opinions about transsexuality, etc.
The seven richest people in the world all own media networks. They know that violent societal breakdown is a possibility and are much better prepared to channel that chaos to their advantage than you are.
This doesn’t mean that you should give up. But advocating for violence at this point is inviting disaster. That violence will hurt you, not them.
Did you not see how we all felt about luigi?
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