Dilara was on her lunch break in the London store where she works when a tall man walked up to her and said: “I swear red hair means you’ve just been heartbroken.”
The man continued the conversation as they both got in a lift, and he asked Dilara for her phone number.
What Dilara did not realise was that the man was secretly filming her on his smart glasses - which look like normal eyewear but have a tiny camera which can record video.
The footage was then posted to TikTok, where it received 1.3m views. “I just wanted to cry,” Dilara, 21, told the BBC.
The man who filmed her, it turned out, had posted dozens of secretly filmed videos to TikTok, giving men tips on how to approach women.
Dilara also found out that her phone number was visible in the video. She then faced a wave of messages and calls.
This glasses should not be allowed. We need clear indicators of recording not that tiny light meta added.
Until there’s a law against it, a law that requires an obvious flashing red light, this will continue to happen. I know the Meta glasses have a light that supposedly can’t be covered without covering the camera. But, that’s there only because Meta chose to put it there to head off complaints, à la Google Glass.
But, I think those lights will go away, and I believe that is what the billionaires who make the choices want to happen. Because, being in public, not knowing whether you’re being filmed is a great way to keep the masses in line. Fear and division in the populous is how those in power stay in power, when the people want them out.
I don’t have a link right offhand, but the indicator led is defeatable. There’s people on ebay offering the modded glasses for only (iirc) like $100 more than msrp.
How exactly should a law like this work? Should it be obvious to anyone being recorded in public that they are being recorded and who is doing it?
That wouldn’t be very beneficial to the surveillance state.
Fuck TikTok. And fuck smart glasses. What the fuck is wrong with people who would even design glasses with a hidden camera?
Fuck the assholes who would do this.
Absolutely. I cannot believe such a creepy product would be made to begin with though.
Glassholes are making a comeback, fuck.
They’re being built into earbuds and headphones now too. Let me see if I can find links to the products again, saw them while browsing articles about CES
Edit: https://www.soundguys.com/razer-project-motoko-ai-headphones-150707/
The headphones were real, the earbuds were just a concept image though
Jesus. Black Mirror is all coming true.
They’re desperate to get data about human activity. They wanted data about what people do online and they’ve got all of that. Now they need to move into the human world as much as possible. It used to be just for selling to advertisers, but now they also need to feed it into AI.
They already try to force these into every area of our lives… all phone data, all online content, dating apps, phone keyboards, browser fingerprinting, internet connected fridges, cars, door bells, home cameras, etc etc. Now they will try to find new and novel ways to put more data collection devices (camera, mic, GPS, gryo and movement trackers, any physical parameter they can think of, etc etc) into more insane devices.
They will push “smart” clothes, wearable AI devices, furniture, toilet, etc etc. They will say these are absolutely essential and add value to our lives. People will eat this up immediately and fall over themselves to incorporate these into their lives and celebrate how amazing this is.
It started with the initial days of Facebook when I didn’t want to be on Facebook, but people I know would still upload my pictures and tag them with my name. They need more and more ways to get information on people not in their ecosystem. This shit will only get more and more invasive.
And then they’ll call anyone who thinks “smart” devices are stupid a luddite…
Technology was a mistake
Billionaires are the mistake.
Both can be solved with a daneaxe.
Smart glasses and hidden cameras are two different products.
That being said, anyone can easily film you in public because anyone just assumes you’re just holding your phone up for something else.
anyone can easily film you in public because anyone just assumes you’re just holding your phone up for something else.
Nope. If someone is doing that, I can easily notice it and know it’s a possibility and move/turn away. Just because I can judge that as probably not happening doesn’t mean a phone being held is equivalent to a human literally just wearing glasses with their head turned my way.
Are you really advocating for the position that I should give up the fight and just accept being filmed at all times in public?
If you’re in the US, the supreme court has said repeatedly we have no expectation of privacy in public. Anyone can operate as the press and the first amendment locks in their right specifically to film in publicly accessible places, and also to record government employees in the course of their duties based on current constitutioal law. It’s good for filming cops from a short distance away, but if you physically get in their way they can arrest you. And resisting detainment or arrest can apparently get you shot.
The flip side is yeah anyone can be recording you at any time in public. We can make laws to restrict that but the burden to pass constitutional scrutiny is high. Because of that, I’m not allowed to film into your home from outside, that was deemed an acceptable exception. If I could get the restrictions I’d like to see, it would be dismantling the surveillance state they’ve put up with Flock cameras etc. The government isn’t allowed to surveil citizens without a court order, so they simply contracted it out to private companies.
Nope. If someone is doing that, I can easily notice it and know it’s a possibility and move/turn away. Just because I can judge that as probably not happening doesn’t mean a phone being held is equivalent to a human literally just wearing glasses with their head turned my way.
Agreed.
Are you really advocating for the position that I should give up the fight and just accept being filmed at all times in public?
Assuming you’re in the US, you have no expectations of privacy in public, and it’s perfectly legal to film you in public. You do have to accept that, yes.
I’m sure a case can be made for someone approaching you and getting you to interact while filming secretly, and I hope she can sue him for damages. But simply being recorded in public is not something you can do anything about.
I am well aware of that supreme court decision. If hidden cameras mounted in glasses were a thing then, I highly doubt that ruling could’ve ever happened. Thanks for telling me what I have to accept though. Totally helpful and kind thing to do. Thanks also for the weird condescension. Exactly what the world needs right now.
I consider it hidden if it’s designed to look like a normal pair of glasses which the post states is the case.
Yes, it is a hidden camera in a pair of glasses, not smart glasses.
They were pointing out the difference. It would be like someone confusing a camera for a smartphone.
It would be like someone confusing a camera for a smartphone.
Not really. For the purposes of this conversation that doesn’t matter at all. The only things that matter here would be can the glasses film and can anyone tell that at a glance? I don’t care if the glasses can also do Google searches or some shit. That doesn’t necessarily violate my privacy. What violates my privacy is someone filming, without me even having a clue they might be.
Not really. For the purposes of this conversation that doesn’t matter at all.
It does, because the statement that people are taking issue with:
Smart glasses and hidden cameras are two different products.
Is objectively correct and that was the only point they were trying to make. They were not claiming that it makes filming okay or that hidden cameras are not a problem.
The people are not responding to the actual words written by the person, they’re replying the the subtext that they feel was implied.
Me: makes point
Online weirdo: akshually, you’re wrong. Unrelated irrelevant details matter
You: yeah, ya idiot! It totally matters cuz we said so!
Edit: checks out completely that your only post on this platform is to claim you weren’t being transphobic and making a big stink about it
In the US, that does not legally violate your privacy if you are in public.
There are many states that have 2-party consent laws regarding being recorded. In my jurisdiction, what the glasshole did might have been illegal. (I’m not a lawyer or judge)
Two party consent laws only apply in situations where they would have an expectation of privacy, as in not in public. Much of the whole first amendment auditing community is focused on educating people about this. State laws can’t trump constitutional precedent.
You get that there is a difference in “I can tell I’m being filmed” and not, right? You get that law is behind technology sometimes, right? Not sure why there’s an argument here.
You’re almost always being filmed in public in many places. The courts say it doesn’t matter whether or not you realize it, in the US.
That woman who smashed an idiot’s glasses in New York a few weeks/months? ago was ahead of the curve.
Is she going to smash all of the other cameras recording her in public?
Or it’s okay when governments/businesses do it?
I didn’t say it was, but the governments/businesses aren’t posting people’s contact information to TikTok.
If someone wants to start smashing flock cameras, I’m certainly not going to stop then
This dude deserves nothing less that an ass beating then criminal charges.
Criminal justice system: Best I can do is a 300$ fine and 60 hours community service.
I think we’re reaching the point where “anti smart glasses” glasses should become a thing, that is, a type of electronic glasses that can detect whether the person you’re talking to is wearing smart glasses and warn you about it.
Infrared leds should be able to overexpose the cameras unless they have IR filters in them.
God i hate the idea that you have to wear glasses just because other people are total cunts.
Better would be glasses (or some other device) that would selectively disable smart glasses. Extra points if the device causes the glasses to catch fire.
I want a device that makes it explode on their face and melt their eyes.
Israel can probably make you one of those.
These glasses are supposed to have a “recording” light.
Some do, because they want to sell to the international market where it might be required, or because they maybe think it is the right thing to do. It is not required in the US. Hidden cameras have been a thing for st least 75 years and the supreme court has essentially said, if you can see it in public, you can record it in public.
Ah, but he could have had the high-tech circumvention duct tape fitted.
Don’t even need it to look that bad. You can buy tiny stickers to cover that light in such a way as to near-completely hide it.
There are already phone apps that try to do this with WiFi/Bluetooth scanning, object detection, red “filters” and so on.
Theoretically, it’d be really cheap to make a tiny “detector” camera; maybe a Bluetooth earbud looking thing on one ear? Every existing tiny camera can pick up infrared if you just take off and change the filter, and your phone can run tiny object detection algos with almost no power.
The problem is mass adoption.
I’m fully ok with punching these people in the face and break their glasses. If their nose gets broken in the process, that’s just something we have to live with.
Turns it is okay to punch a guy with glasses.
Are you okay with all of the potential consequences of that action? Being shot by the person you punched? Or at minimum going to jail for assault?
I don’t live in a place where ‘being shot’ is a constant fear I have to live with, so no.
Nice. That means if they’re physically weaker than you then you can beat them up and they can’t do anything about it besides call the police.
Hope they go to the gym and have been in a few fights before, lol.
This is so fucked up, and the guy who did this needs to be doxxed and have his whole life made hell, but…
Back when the ubiquitousness of smartphone cameras was still fairly new, and the prospect of being secretly recorded and posted online at any given moment was still unthinkable yet real, I tried raising the concern whenever/however I could.
Like, I would tell people “this is fucked up, and we shouldn’t normalize this.” And you know what they told me, nearly without fail? They called me a creep and said if I wasn’t doing anything I wouldn’t want people to see online, then I wouldn’t be worried about being secretly recorded.
It was like this pseudo “women’s empowerment” sentiment where they thought this gives them the ability to ruin men’s lives (often over short clips out of context that only look bad based on how it’s spinned in the caption), thus “protecting” women, and they didn’t think it would ever turn back on them and blow up in their faces.
Unbeknownst to them, one of my main concerns was the danger this poses for women. But of course, no one would believe that, because I was a man, so of course the only reasonable assumption was that I was a misogynist and only concerned with privacy so I could get away with predatory behavior. So of course, if I raise a fuss about this then I must be a creep. Of course.
Well, look what’s come home to roost. Amazing. Who could have predicted this?
The ‘if you not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to hide’ argument is a logical fallicy.
Any time someone throws that at you ask them why they have curtains/blinds on their windows, doors on their rooms and fences around their house.The problem isn’t the recording, this was in a public place where there is no expectation of privacy, the problem is covert recording.
Yes, and covert recording by definition is done without the knowledge or consent of the one being recorded. It should be illegal everywhere, but some states have single-party consent laws which allow it.
(imagine applying such a rule to sexual activity, it would be absurd; yet somehow it’s totally legal to broadcast a person’s name, face, and location to the world without them even knowing what’s happening?)
Exactly. But fascists want privacy for themselves, and if they don’t get it then they’ll call people commies. But if anyone else wants privacy, then fascists say they’re acting suspicious and must be guilty of something.
Make it make sense. (Yes I know, conservatives are self-contradictory and have no ideological consistency; rules for me not for thee, we get it…)
And now TikTok is advertising itself on UK TV as an educational tool. I expect everyone on here recognises them as evil already, so don’t doubt it!
