They’re actually acknowledging this in their latest blogpost
If for some reason you’re stuck on windows, might I recommend notepad++ ?
Kate is great and available for Windows, too!
But also beware as notepad++ has had a security breach recently.
So has everything.
A text editor shouldn’t be having security breaches.
Technically it was the server for updates that got breached, not the editor itself.
Neither should Windows itself. But here we are. And have been for some time.
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They also introduced a critical security vulnerability into notepad where they just had the markdown links shell execute
open linkwhich allowed just installing arbitrary software as long as the link was valid instead of just opening a browser.If you managed to get the file onto a person’s you could execute it by having the person click on the link.
Unfortunately it has a use. Microsoft discontinued WordPad
I was devasted when I heard this
What am I supposed to use when ms-word breaks itself while I’m offline now
notepad
Images don’t work very well, but I guess you don’t need those if you have an imagination
Both classic Notepad and classic WordPad can be downloaded and installed from third-party sites.
However, to thoroughly neuter the enshittified versions and ensure the classic versions are used in all workflows can take a bit more than what the installers recommend. Primarily, I would recommend adding the *.bak extension to the enshittified versions then make (IIRC) junction links from the classic ones to where the enshittified ones are sitting. This ensures that if anything reaches for the enshittified ones, the junction links are there to redirect the action to the classic versions.
That’s a funny way of saying “Re-install Windows 10” or “install Linux”
(I don’t use Arch btw)
(also, yes. The .bak thing works)
I hated wordpad. New notepad is so much better than the old. An undo on old notepad would undo the last 1-7 sentences randomly, and wouldn’t redo. Remembering notes is also good, and I love markdown.
I don’t use the ai and it never was in the way of what I needed, so whatever.The last time I used notepad the undo option worked both as undo and redo, since it only kept the latest change and undoing was also a change that could be undone.
I sometimes put together long bash commands to pull docker image updates. I would take five minutes building up a command, make a typo, pressed undo by muscle memory and most of what I typed out would be gone with no way to undo.
This was no one time occurrence, because I’m too lazy to pull up vscode or something else, it would be a weekly occurrence.
I cried when that old piece of junk updated to the new notepad. Never had that issue since.
GNU EMACS is RIGHT THERE in WINDOWS
You can INSTALL IT
(Well you can’t install it, you kinda just dump it in Program Files)
PEOPLE have been EXTENDING it for DECADES SAFELY
WHAT are you WAITING FORWell, since you asked… I’m waiting for guile-emacs to make a breakout like neovim did.
Its really a shame. Every OS needs a simple text editor, possibly without formatting support of any kind. You’re not supposed to use it, it just makes it possible to edit basic configurations on the fly and things like that. Instead they support half of word pad and cram in copilot for some reason.
Although I do admit, I haven’t seen the need to move away from kwrite for a long time. Basic text editor that does what it should and does it right!Then just types into and don’t do any formatting. I use it daily at work for pasting text I want to keep. That’s it I type or paste I never save, I never click any menus etc.
What’s the equivalent in Linux? I’m using an Arch-based distro with KDE, the only editor I can see is Kate, but I might be missing something due to the Linux naming conventions.
I think kwrite on kde. Arch may come more barebones though.
It’s hard to point to one because linux isn’t an operating system per se… and many distros come with different software packages with different DE’s. That’s where a GUI text editor’s home is, so it depends on that, the distro.Kwrite supports Markdown just fine, actually better than Notepad (it does syntax colouring and formatting as you type), although I’m not sure if it can display the formatted file.
Wordpad? I’ll stick to Word Perfect 5.1, thank you very much.
Word.
(or actually, Word. The one that ran on DOS and looked like an Emo version on QBASIC. I liked that thing).
As much as I liked old notepad, it is a pretty decent markdown editor.
I love most of the changes they made, but Copilot can fuck right off my Notepad. It’s supposed to be fast and offline.
wait what the frick since when were they updating Notepad
Since Microslop Windooze 11:Enshittified Edition.
Win 11 has been a privacy/anonymity/usability nightmare. Thanks in no small part to MS enshittifying absolutely every corner of it with AI. Right down to grabbing it by the notepad.
And that’s why I still run Win10 with 0patch.
Since last year.
Both classic Notepad and classic WordPad can be downloaded and installed from third-party sites.
However, to thoroughly neuter the enshittified versions and ensure the classic versions are used in all workflows can take a bit more than what the installers recommend. Primarily, I would recommend adding the *.bak extension to the enshittified versions then make (IIRC) junction links from the classic ones to where the enshittified ones are sitting. This ensures that if anything reaches for the enshittified ones, the junction links are there to redirect the action to the classic versions.
They updated the screenshot tool. Now its like paint.
so it’s minime word now?
I hate this person. It makes me want to scream. One of the dumbest stupidest things about Windows is a fucking useless programs go on with it that haven’t been updated in 20 years. Please update them. You want to update notepad? Go look at Notepad+. Please please please update all the shitty little programs that exist around Windows that no one uses cause they’re so goddamn shitty.
Holy fuck update Windows programs. For the love of God update ALL the Windows programs. Make the goddamn search tool work. Make the goddamn voice to text work. Make the image viewer not suck. Please don’t listen to the people who are resistant to change. Leave an old shitty version on there just for them, but please please make Windows programs better because they suck right now!!
What a bad take. Notepad was never meant to have formatting, as the post states. Notepad’s purpose was to open war text files as raw text. For formatted text, there was WordPad. What made notepad great is that it was the fastest and easiest way to just know what is in the damn file.
Yes! Leave notepad alone. I don’t need to load fucking Word when I just want to quickly type out some bullshit that I’m going to reference a few minutes later and then not bother to save. Notepad has always been the fastest, most responsive and reliable tool in windows that I (and probably a lot of people) use every fucking day.
Isn’t notepad an LLM client now?
Feels like everything is. Might as well describe every app by it‘s (now) secondary function.
Some apps just have it as primary function now…
Waiting for the rename to copad AI.
CopePad
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@programmer_humor@programming.devI’d say LLM is a notepad client now.
That makes no sense even if you ignore the fact that Copilot can be easily disabled in Notepad, and it doesn’t directly load with the app (as in: doesn’t slow down startup or anything like that).
Notepad works just as it always had, it just has dark theme, tabs, sessions, and a Markdown viewer now.
@Alaknar@sopuli.xyz @programmer_humor@programming.dev
Well, I confess I’m in no good position to say anything about Windows 11, for I’ve been a daily Linux-only user (Arch, by the way) for almost a decade.
However, as far as I’ve seen about Windows, AI (especially that spying feature designed to take screenshots and create a lookup-able timeline, “Microsoft Recall” if I recall (pun intended) correctly) seems to be so intertwined with Windows that even the Windows Explorer’s Shell has now a hard dependency on AI-related and Microsoft Edge-related libraries. This way, if someone were to try and purge the Windows from AI-related crap, it will break the OS, Explorer simply won’t launch.
Also, “can be easily turned off” implies something that comes enabled by default: the exact same dilemma behind Mozilla Firefox and all the crap they’ve been imbuing inside the browser. In the end of the day, it’s a non-consented relation. The fact it can be opted-out doesn’t make it less of a non-consented relationship, for the non-consented relation already happened as the user proceeds to opting-out of it. In other realms of legality, it would be considered a crime, but as it’s something done by corporations (Microsoft, Mozilla, Google), they it’s suddenly “a-okay”.
Don’t take this as an attack against yourself, but holy shit, where are you getting your news from? Do people seriously believe that everything is AI in Windows now?
Recall is not yet live (it’s available as a preview feature), you have to enable it manually, and even then you can disable it easily.
Copilot barely does anything. They’re basically shoving the button wherever they can to goad people into using it, but that’s mostly it.
“Purging” the OS from “AI-related crap” would purge it from AI-related crap and not break anything (source: did this on my previous work laptop)
Also, “can be easily turned off” implies something that comes enabled by default
It’s a button. If you click the button, a Copilot interface loads with the file you’re editing pre-loaded as context. Unless you click it, it does nothing other than taking up space. You can disable the button from the Settings.
I agree about all the opt-out/opt-in stuff, but also understand why a company catering to 80% of the market defaults to opt-out - users are dumb, they have no clue how to explore features, so opt-in features remain forever disabled for 99% of them.
And then Apple does an update with an identical feature enabled by default, and everybody goes “damn, if only Microsoft thought of this!”
I don’t understand what “crime” you mean.
@Alaknar@sopuli.xyz @programmer_humor@programming.dev
Don’t take this as an attack
It’s okay, no offense taken.
where are you getting your news from?
Mostly from Lemmy, but also from Gizmodo.
Do people seriously believe that everything is AI in Windows now?
Tbf, it doesn’t help the fact that corps are shoving AI into everything they can and can’t. I’m far from being Anti-AI, but when we live in a world where everything is being AI-fied, I can totally understand the anti-AI fellows and their sentiment “Windows = AI”.
Recall is not yet live (it’s available as a preview feature), you have to enable it manually, and even then you can disable it easily.
As far as I read, it’s partially true. Not true, however, in cases when the PC was set up by someone other than you, e.g. in workplaces. If the company someone works to decides to enable Recall “to improve productivity”, anything done by the employee will be seen, not just by the employer, but by Microsoft too, not to mention hackers who will love to get their hands at this golden goose of private data.
They’re basically shoving the button wherever they can to goad people into using it, but that’s mostly it
It’s a button. […] Unless you click it, it does nothing other than taking up space.Maybe. But the presence of the button, alongside the shortcuts for features “summarizing”, “auto-formatting text” and other AI-driven features, implies Copilot is a whole dependency on .dll/.exe related to Copilot, as well as potential unintended network comm with Microsoft servers.
“Purging” the OS from “AI-related crap” would purge it from AI-related crap and not break anything (source: did this on my previous work laptop)
Okay, fair point.
I agree about all the opt-out/opt-in stuff, but also understand why a company catering to 80% of the market defaults to opt-out - users are dumb, they have no clue how to explore features, so opt-in features remain forever disabled for 99% of them.
I heard the same during a discussion about Firefox here in Lemmy. “Users are dumb, so corp needs to guide them through the new features by enrolling them automatically”. Whenever I hear about how “users are dumb”, I can’t help but wonder how the so-called “dumb users” are allowed and able to drive a half-tonne car at 120kph or, even worse, (it doesn’t even need a license) voting (allowed responsibility over everyone’s lives)!
And then Apple does an update with an identical feature enabled by default, and everybody goes “damn, if only Microsoft thought of this!”
Maybe it’s because iThings aren’t socially pushed as Microsoft things are. You said yourself: Microsoft is “a company catering to 80% of the market” dominating the PC market, not Apple.
what “crime” you mean
Non-consensual relationship. Harassment. In this case, it’s software harassment disguised as dark patterns such as opt-off when it should be opt-in.
Mostly from Lemmy
Yeah, Lemmy is weird, especially the tech-related communities for some reason. It’s like: “if it’s not Linux and FOSS, it’s literal cancer, unless it’s Microsoft’s, then it’s literal radioactive and aggressive cancer”.
I can totally understand the anti-AI fellows and their sentiment “Windows = AI”.
100% agreed. However, as with any other opinion, fundamentalism is bad, m’kay. I get why people are tired of AI (I’m in the same boat!) but there has to be rationality involved.
As far as I read, it’s partially true.
That’s just ordinary standard click-bait from a tech site. They themselves mention that the rollout will be “to beta users”, that means Insiders. Insider builds are very different from regular builds and many features are force-enabled in them.
Which makes sense: if you’re making the very conscious decision of signing up to Windows Insider, after going through the warnings about the nature of the program, you should know full well about what it comes with.
I was reinstalling my wife’s Windows recently and was asked if I want to enable Recall, with a very prominent “the feature is in preview” on the screen.
Not true, however, in cases when the PC was set up by someone other than you, e.g. in workplaces. If the company someone works to decides to enable Recall “to improve productivity”, anything done by the employee will be seen, not just by the employer, but by Microsoft too, not to mention hackers who will love to get their hands at this golden goose of private data.
Oof, there’s a bit to unpack here.
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If it’s workplace, it’s not the employee’s device, it’s the workplace’s. Nothing the employee does is private, that’s the whole point of managed devices. Nobody ever looks at what the employee does (unless their manager is completely fucking insane), because nobody has the time for that, but in case of, say, litigation, or such, the data is there. Recall isn’t needed for that.
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Microsoft has zero access to Recall data. It’s 100% local (hence the “Copilot+ PC” requirement - these are the PCs that have CPUs with an “NPU”, or “Neural Processing Unit”, allowing them to run LLMs locally without killing performance).
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For hackers to get to this data, they’d need to break the network security measures, the account security measures, anti-virus security measures AND BitLocker. Which is to say: a hacker getting access to Recall is the least of a workplace’s worries, because it means they’re effectively wide open to the Internet.
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There’s not much in Recall that you can’t extract from the browser’s cache. Many of these things are actually less useful, because even if you steal someone’s password by scraping Recall data (and that’s assuming something goes wrong and Recall doesn’t redact it), you won’t be able to sign in from a different device due to MFA. However, if you have such deep-level access to the device, you can, instead, steal the token used for logging in - that one usually already comes with the MFA token, so you can sign in anywhere.
Maybe. But the presence of the button, alongside the shortcuts for features “summarizing”, “auto-formatting text” and other AI-driven features, implies Copilot is a whole dependency on .dll/.exe related to Copilot, as well as potential unintended network comm with Microsoft servers.
Those features - to my knowledge - only work on the devices with the NPU, which is to say: they run locally. I haven’t really looked into it, though. Either way: they are fully optional and dormant until the user clicks them.
Whenever I hear about how “users are dumb”, I can’t help but wonder how the so-called “dumb users” are allowed and able to drive a half-tonne car at 120kph
Check any news source for the road accident numbers. You start to see a trend now?
or, even worse, (it doesn’t even need a license) voting (allowed responsibility over everyone’s lives)!
Did you not notice who won in the US last year?
Maybe it’s because iThings aren’t socially pushed as Microsoft things are
How do you mean? The only difference I can think of is that Apple users are generally more enthusiastic towards Apple products than MS users. That being said, we’ve seen countless times that whatever Apple does is called “revolutionary”, whereas when MS does, people don’t care. First touch-screen phones: Microsoft. Best digital assistant: Microsoft. Best optimised mobile OS: Microsoft. Etc., etc.
And we’ve already seen that recently with Recall - Microsoft announced it, and people lost their shit, talking about how dangerous that is, how security is 100% compromised right now, and how everybody has to switch to MacOS or Linux.
Then, two weeks later, Apple announced it’s identical but less secure version of Recall, and there was nothing overtly negative in the media about it. Some sceptical articles here and there.
Non-consensual relationship. Harassment. In this case, it’s software harassment disguised as dark patterns such as opt-off when it should be opt-in.
That’s, unfortunately, not how it works. I agree that dark patters suck and people who use them should be banned from making any executive decisions regarding software ever, but most of the time when people are complaining about dark patterns these days, it’s completely benign shit.
Like, come on, a button showing up with a new feature is now a “dark pattern”? Let’s be real here.
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See Copilot logo in top right
Disable the Copilot logo with three clicks.
(Don’t get me wrong - I hate that they shoved a fucking LLM front-end into Notepad, but let’s not be silly and pretend like it’s all shit now. It still does the exact same job it always did)













