• 87Six@lemmy.zip
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    well if calling out israel for its crimes is antisimetric, call me hero of free speech

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    though he did so with the use of further antisemitic tropes by suggesting that the U.S. and NATO campaign against ISIS had been “manufactured by Israel.”

    Oh, so it’s antisemitic to say anything negative about Israel now. Got it.

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    How exactly is this antisemitic?

    “…though he did so with the use of further antisemitic tropes by suggesting that the U.S. and NATO campaign against ISIS had been “manufactured by Israel.””

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      To Zion, antisemitism is just their catch phrase when in fact they mean you can’t be anti Zionist. Oh you don’t like it when we genocide an entire people and kill millions. You must be antisemitic!!! I guess we need to kill you too

      Fuck israel

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      Clearly you haven’t read Leveraging white guilt over the Holocaust to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity with impunity by Benjamin Netanyahu

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      Being against the fascist government of Israel is now antisemitic. It’s the mask the fascists are wearing. They’re abusing everyone’s intolerance of antisemitism to push their imperialist agenda.

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      Was on my way to post exactly this. This semantic overloading of the term antisemitic will lead to jews in other countries dying, mark my words.

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        No it won’t,
        Despite the filthy zionists desperately trying to conflate their fascist ideology with judaism nobody falls for that.
        Nobody will hold jews responsible for this cult’s actions.
        The only ones that do that are probably right-wingers that were already antisemites to begin with.

        What is happening now however are attempts on synagogues and jewish places in EU.
        You could see that coming from the articles in the press priming the public with ‘leaked’ reports on ‘Iranian sleeper cells’ activated.
        That’s when I knew Mossad would get at it again, trying to get the public opinion, vastly against the war, to go along with sending troops to help the US/Ir childkillers.

    • MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io
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      Accusing Jews (and Israel as a proxy thereof) of sinister machinations behind-the-scenes is a hallmark of antisemitism; particularly when those claims are demonstrably false.

      Don’t get me wrong; Bibi and his buddies have a lot to answer for, but blaming Israel for the US invasion of Iraq and the conflict with ISIS, who came to power as a result of the US invasion of Iraq, is some of the most blatant bullshit that can come out of the mouth of someone who is supposed to be an expert on counterterrorism.

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        Israeli people are free to start a revolution any day they feel the government has overreached its welcome with the genocide in Palestine and killing civilians in Iran.

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          There’s no doubt that the actions of the US and Israel fertilized the soil from which ISIS sprang forth. But that is a far cry from the accusation that Israel purposefully manufactured the ISIS situation in order to draw the US into a conflict in which they were already engaged.

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        That’s like saying that anybody who criticized Nazi Germany was “against the Arian Race”.

        In fact, that’s exactly what the Nazis used to say.

        Funny how so many of the things Zionists say and do are a lot like the things Nazis said and did…

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          Except that’s not what I’m saying.

          Two things can be true at the same time:

          1. Not every criticism of Israel is antisemitism
          2. Racists can express their antisemitism through criticism of Israel.

          There is so much that one could criticize Israel over that I won’t even pretend to be able to list it all. But this government counterterrorism expert blaming Israel for “manufacturing” a conflict that his own government had the greater hand in creating is either stupid or disingenuous. Either way it shows where his heart lies.

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            Israel has been trying that America attacks Iran for 40 years, including such ridiculous things like some years ago Netanyahu showing a cartoon image of a lit bomb to US Congressmen whilst he claimed that Iran was just about to go nuclear.

            Even for an outsider, in light of the relentless push for decades from Israel to make happen what has happenned and their participation in this attack, it’s an entirelly valid theory to think that Israel got what it has loudly demanded from America for decades, especially in light of the level of intelectual capacity the current POTUS and his Administration have displayed.

            More, the guy who said it is an insider to the halls of power in the US, and even better, to top level military decision-making there: he’s way more qualified than you or me to know what the fuck is going on with this and yet here you stand saying that the only valid explanation for what he said is him hating all Jews, not only implying that he knows shit about what is in fact part of his job but also outright calling him a Racist for giving his expert opinion on something he was involved in.

            Given your persistence in pushing the idea that a US administration insider saying that Israel has succeeded in what they have been trying to make happen for decades is “stupid”, “disingenuous” and even “anti-semitic”, it looks to me like the most logic explanation is that the Racist (in assuming not only that a non-Jew who makes a critical point about Israel on something that person would - thanks to his position in this Administration - be infinitelly more well informed than you, must be “against Jews as a People”, but that Israel represents the Jewish People), Disingenious and possibly even Stupid one in this, is you.

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        Netanyahu to the UN “invading Iraq would cause positive reverberations across the world”

        Come on man

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    whose own wife was killed by ISIS

    This might be a contributing factor. Iran is the primary actor combatting ISIS.

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    If this were me, I also wouldn’t want to be in his position, where Trump has started a war of choice against a country that’s willing to use terror as a weapon, where Trump has deliberately handicapped counterterrorism and intelligence departments, and where the person in charge has repeatedly demonstrated that he’s never willing to accept responsibility for either his decisions or their consequences.

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    What has ISIS to do with Iran?
    They are sworn enemies with these US backed terrorists.
    Oh, the Independent? Say no more

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    Israel lobby forced US into this war

    We all have the sunglasses to see the lizard people are in control. As a high ranking insider, he has the best, or at least much better, sunglasses of all. A constitution that protects the lizard people’s power structure over Americans is dysfunctional.