• whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works
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      7 months ago

      About five minutes later, the arresting officer approached him again. “He said: ‘I’ve got good news and I’ve got bad news.’ I said: ‘What’s the good news?’ He said: ‘I’m de-arresting you.’

      “And I said: ‘What’s the bad news?’ He said: ‘It’s going to be really embarrassing for me.’ And then I walked free, while all the real heroes are the people that are actually getting arrested.”

      The officer seems to understand his mistake at least

      • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        7 months ago

        The poor copper lost all that time arresting a guy with Plasticine Action on his t-shirt only to have to de-arrest him when he could’ve been arresting an old lady with the words “Palestine Action” written down on a piece of paper for her to be prosecuted and maybe even get a jail sentence.

        That mistake was making it hard for him to make his quota of arrests for that week, the poor bloke.

        • callouscomic@lemmy.zip
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          7 months ago

          This is why I always imagine it’d be funny to ask a cop “so how many murders got solved this week?” whenever they’re wasting time on mundane shit.

          I’ve never had an interaction with a cop where they didn’t make it unnecessarily intense.

          • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            Their job is not to solve crimes, their job is to get people convicted, the subtle difference being that they’ll turn non-crimes into crimes (for example, they’ll chose to legally interpret things which can go both ways as crimes which require prosecution, which is why one often sees kids criminalized for childish bullshit) and it doesn’t matter if the person convicted is innocent, all that matters is that somebody got convicted (so, for example, they won’t try and find exonerating evidence).

            This partly explains their tendency to take an adversarial posture towards people who aren’t from their group, also partly explained because that posture itself indirectly feeds back on them (people are weary of them because of how act towards the general public, which in turn makes them feel apart and suspicious hence they behave even more so) and partly because they do tend to get exposed far more than most people to the seedy side of humanity all with a judgemental mindset and an aim to see crimes, so even a lot of the stuff they see which most people think is just silly fun (say, most drunkenness), they’ll see as crimes.

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              19 days ago

              This is the UK. They don’t have arrest quotas. That was a myth spread by the tabloids about 15 years ago.

          • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            7 months ago

            Police solve something like less than 2% of reported crimes.

            Even a libertarian can see this is fucking stupid, imagine a restaurant that gets 2% of its orders correct and served in a timely manner.

            Police do not primarily exist to solve crimes.

            They primarily exist as a goon/thug class to protect property and capital, all other behaviors and effects are ancillary.

            If Police wanted to actually lessen crime, they’d either attack its root causes and use significant parts of their budgets to fund affordable housing and public schools, or massively reorient toward pursuing white collar crime, which is often of such a huge financial scale that it basically directly impoverishes society at a large scale.

            • FarraigePlaisteaċ (sé/é)@lemmy.world
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              7 months ago

              That figure is a little misleading, but I understand how you picked it up because it’s everywhere.

              Police “clear” crimes to be progressed for prosecution.

              Prosecutors “prosecute” crimes. It’s this that the 2% figure is aimed at. The clearance rates (the job done by the police) is higher.

              According to this article[1], 22% of reported serious crimes led to arrests. 4% (of reported serious crimes) led to convictions. They then halve both of those numbers to account for unreported crimes. The article still uses the 2% figure in the headline despite the nuance in the article.

              That might sound academic given the overall point you make still stands. I just thought it was worth mentioning.

              1: https://theconversation.com/police-solve-just-2-of-all-major-crimes-143878

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    7 months ago

    Pardon my ignorance, but is wearing a shirt with the word Palestine on it and arrestable offense in England?

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      7 months ago

      Palestine Action yes. An activism organization called Palestine Action was classified as a terrorist organization a few weeks ago by the UK government.

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          Some people of Palestine Action threw ink on a military plane parked on some airbase which is normally used for the surveillance flights of Gaza that the UK is doing to give the data to Israel, hence they were officially classified by the Home Secretary - Yvette Cooper - as “terrorist group” via a process which has no strict well defined criteria or Judicial oversight at all.

          Because of that anybody who supports them in any way (including merelly voicing their support for them or holding a written paper with the name of the group) risks a prison sentence of (if I remember it correctly) up to 10 years.

          Hence in the UK wearing a t-shirt with the words “Palestine Action” in it is a terrorist offense with a prision sentense of up to 10 years: it’s all pretty similar to the legislation Putin has to stop people in Russia demonstrating against the invasion of Ukraine, only I believe the prison sentences in Russia are actually lower.

          (Britain isn’t quite at the “hold up blank piece of paper” stage like Russia yet, but judging by the copper arresting somebody wearing a “Plasticine Action” t-shirt, the police are already thinking along similar lines - the coppers in Britain are well aware that their job is to “serve the powerful” not “serve the public”)

          Britain is a complete total authoritarian clown shown nowadays, though this shit is a pretty natural stage in the evolution of authoritarianism and represssion masquerading as Rule Of Law over there since around Tony Blair’s time.

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            so weird how we’ve mangled the word terrorism around to mean impeding a military machine or body. maybe this is just my brain turning to worm food but I could have swore it was explicitly when you kill civilians or destroy infrastructure in order to coerce a policy change. but that alteration probably wasn’t intentional or for any specific purpose.

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              Eh, terrorism has always been a bullshit term. You just didn’t notice it. Governments perform “terrorism” all the fucking time, but they get to call it something else. Terrorism is just when you do something the state doesn’t like. Often it’s violent, and the term is used to maintain the state’s monopoly on violence, but it isn’t always. They’ve been allowed to influence public opinion using the term for far too long.

              (Just in case, this comment is not condoning violence, only stating that the term terrorism is purposefully used by the state to turn people against specific groups.)