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Cake day: August 26th, 2023

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  • It can be very lonely being one of the only “good ones” in the world. It may be wise to consider the possibility that fewer creatures will suffer overall if you can get some legal wins toward that end, and legal wins cannot be gained by a tiny group with no allies.

    Calling out good faith points made by people that essentially agree with your premise as intellectually dishonest is false, combative, and discourages any meaningful coalition that can do something about your cause. Acting out in a bitter fashion makes you more alone and politically powerless.


  • I am not saying they are sentient. I am more saying that it is impossible to establish an objective valuation scale for the lives of creatures. You can choose whatever subjective one you want, but we can’t lose sight of the fact that it is just our own, and even getting an army of like minded people doesn’t make you any more objectively right or wrong.

    The one I choose for myself is to do what I can to minimize the suffering of any living thing I can, and avoid excess consumption. Some others are more absolute, choosing to abstain entirely from any part of the meat industry until every part of it has its act together. Others refuse to eat anything but beans and leaves, leaving the most minimal environmental impact possible. All of those and any that avoid waste and needless suffering seem valid to me and not worth the division.


  • Lacking photosynthesis, we have to kill to eat. The fact that plants don’t have faces and lack any common means of communication with us does not make them any less evolved than any other creature.

    It is easy to think of them as inert objects that lack any sense of the world around them, but we already know that not to be the case. I think that understanding that makes it impossible to distinguish killing a plant or an animal. The best we can do is hold the lives we have to take in high regard by being humane, including to plants, and to avoid waste and frivolous killing.