And my point is that you cant expect every culture act similary to 30’s/40’s white american nuclear family
Im sorry for the hardship you are experiencing. I truly wish USA will someday have proper care and safety nets for the people.
But you cant mirror you situation to the whole world.
I recommend you to read about 21st century civil unrests in France. I dont say its necessary the right thing to do, but boy those people dont stay passive or care about status quo if they feel like something isint going to their way. I really cant imagine figure like Trump would stay in power for long in there.
There are a surprising amount of batshit-crazy ultra billionaires. They have the same weaknesses as everyone else. They succumb to their own collective propaganda. They are narcissistic sociopaths.
This is a fair assestment. Alltough i personally feel like they have just so removed from the problems of the normal people, that they dont know what the life is to rest of us. Like i think many people have experiences with a supervisor/boss that has not been done the everyday part of the job in so long, they dont anymore know how to assess it.
Scholars also noted that big business developed an increasingly close partnership with the Italian Fascist and German Nazi governments after they took power.
Operative word being “after”. At that point the figurative boat has allready capsized. We are not there yet.
In the US, we have been pulling our hair out trying to understand why so many us are believing stark lies that lead to ruin. We have about a dozen billionaires in cabinet positions. Our oligarch class wholeheartedly supports Trump. Yeah, some push back when their pot gets disturbed, then they give the admin money or power in exchange for a carve-out and contract.
From my outside perspective your system is just broken. President has too much power and the two party system just makes it so that the moment other party gets elected they start by undoing what the predecessor did. Congress is good thing, but again the two party system shoots it in the leg.
Also i cant comprehend the gerrymandering. Its a thing that made sense in a time when poll results were delivered on horseback.
I hope you guys find a way to fix your shit, but world will go on even if you wont. USA is not as important to the world as your news or schools may say.
And my point is that you cant expect every culture act similary to 30’s/40’s white american nuclear family
I must be poorly making my point. I am writing about something all humans do in all times and future. No healthy animal decides to hurt itself. Parents instinctively protect and care for their children. Parents often try to safeguard their children’s futures by making them healthy, educated and financially secure. This has nothing to do with a nuclear family. If my friend takes medicine to live, I want them to always have that medicine available to them. If I have a pet, I want them fat and warm in the winter. I don’t want to die. I want to live. These are all things humans consider, or they are brain dead.
Please answer this question: Would you sacrifice yourself, and everyone you’ve loved, for your principles?
I do enjoy discussions like these, but we are getting stuck.
Im talking about the quote you said earlier, and how, while it is a strong quote, its not universal and it cannot be just tossed as is to the other situation. The quote critiques how people enjoying certain benefits are slow to change their opinion and behavior when people they seem less worthy are given chance to get some of those benefits for themself.
And the situation we are talking is how much people are willing to take if there will be a trade war in future. These are two very different situations.
If my friend needs medicine to live and they cant get it because some nation on the other side of the sea wants to subjucate us, it is only going to get me hate that nation harder.
Please answer this question: Would you sacrifice yourself, and everyone you’ve loved, for your principles?
By the way this is called a yes set. Its when you are asking questions where only reasonable answer for the other side is to agree with you or pick a response you have already decited. Ideally this leaves you in the position where you can keep building on that and getting other person agreeing with you turns arguments into discussions, even if it is scripted. Few of these and im gonna buy a car from you.
You want a safe car for your family, right?
Is it important to you, that your car is dependable?
What matters to you more, the mileage or how it drives?
I am still confused by your thoughts. I truly do not mean to entrap you somehow, if that’s what you mean. I am only trying to understand your beliefs and then refine mine. A cycle of asking refining questions and getting candid answers is how I try to understand someone’s beliefs. Also, some of the questions were answers to your assertions. I was hoping the questions would reveal that I am not referring to a mental process that constrained to any time or place. Not constrained to family.
Yes, the situation was different with the civil rights movement. I was referring to a very specific trait in human behavior that I am trying to fully understand. I can understand if white moderates looked down on blacks and decided that now is not the right time and such, but they didn’t necessarily look down on them. The changes would inevitably cause personal pain to those white moderates. Within them is the full spectrum, including ultra-wealthy who would prefer stability of their economic realm. My thoughts circle around to how a group can be strong and united for a worthy cause, but totally fail to do what is needed, because of individual selfishness. I don’t mean selfish in a bad sense, but in that we will all naturally consider our situation and how our situation will be affected. Consciously, or not, we will account for our own needs, desires and fears. I strongly believe that this an abstract thought process that we apply everywhere.
I just looked up about yes sets. Haha, I was so so confused why you writing of car sales. No, I was trying to establish a foundation of agreement. I hoped you would agree with caring for yourself and others in your life. I also assumed that your brain would process the implications, whether you’d like it to or not. Sometimes those questions seem to cause some sort of cognitive dissonance (something else I try to understand) and the person refuses to answer in a candid way, or has an emotional outburst. I experience it all the time in the US now. MAGA mind will argue in bad faith until they pass out. If one won’t answer questions that ground the conversation, they are likely a troll.
And my point is that you cant expect every culture act similary to 30’s/40’s white american nuclear family
Im sorry for the hardship you are experiencing. I truly wish USA will someday have proper care and safety nets for the people.
But you cant mirror you situation to the whole world.
I recommend you to read about 21st century civil unrests in France. I dont say its necessary the right thing to do, but boy those people dont stay passive or care about status quo if they feel like something isint going to their way. I really cant imagine figure like Trump would stay in power for long in there.
This is a fair assestment. Alltough i personally feel like they have just so removed from the problems of the normal people, that they dont know what the life is to rest of us. Like i think many people have experiences with a supervisor/boss that has not been done the everyday part of the job in so long, they dont anymore know how to assess it.
Operative word being “after”. At that point the figurative boat has allready capsized. We are not there yet.
From my outside perspective your system is just broken. President has too much power and the two party system just makes it so that the moment other party gets elected they start by undoing what the predecessor did. Congress is good thing, but again the two party system shoots it in the leg.
Also i cant comprehend the gerrymandering. Its a thing that made sense in a time when poll results were delivered on horseback.
I hope you guys find a way to fix your shit, but world will go on even if you wont. USA is not as important to the world as your news or schools may say.
Firstly, thank you for the discussion.
I must be poorly making my point. I am writing about something all humans do in all times and future. No healthy animal decides to hurt itself. Parents instinctively protect and care for their children. Parents often try to safeguard their children’s futures by making them healthy, educated and financially secure. This has nothing to do with a nuclear family. If my friend takes medicine to live, I want them to always have that medicine available to them. If I have a pet, I want them fat and warm in the winter. I don’t want to die. I want to live. These are all things humans consider, or they are brain dead.
Please answer this question: Would you sacrifice yourself, and everyone you’ve loved, for your principles?
I do enjoy discussions like these, but we are getting stuck.
Im talking about the quote you said earlier, and how, while it is a strong quote, its not universal and it cannot be just tossed as is to the other situation. The quote critiques how people enjoying certain benefits are slow to change their opinion and behavior when people they seem less worthy are given chance to get some of those benefits for themself.
And the situation we are talking is how much people are willing to take if there will be a trade war in future. These are two very different situations.
If my friend needs medicine to live and they cant get it because some nation on the other side of the sea wants to subjucate us, it is only going to get me hate that nation harder.
By the way this is called a yes set. Its when you are asking questions where only reasonable answer for the other side is to agree with you or pick a response you have already decited. Ideally this leaves you in the position where you can keep building on that and getting other person agreeing with you turns arguments into discussions, even if it is scripted. Few of these and im gonna buy a car from you.
You want a safe car for your family, right? Is it important to you, that your car is dependable? What matters to you more, the mileage or how it drives?
This sedan was just waiting for you to come in!
I am still confused by your thoughts. I truly do not mean to entrap you somehow, if that’s what you mean. I am only trying to understand your beliefs and then refine mine. A cycle of asking refining questions and getting candid answers is how I try to understand someone’s beliefs. Also, some of the questions were answers to your assertions. I was hoping the questions would reveal that I am not referring to a mental process that constrained to any time or place. Not constrained to family.
Yes, the situation was different with the civil rights movement. I was referring to a very specific trait in human behavior that I am trying to fully understand. I can understand if white moderates looked down on blacks and decided that now is not the right time and such, but they didn’t necessarily look down on them. The changes would inevitably cause personal pain to those white moderates. Within them is the full spectrum, including ultra-wealthy who would prefer stability of their economic realm. My thoughts circle around to how a group can be strong and united for a worthy cause, but totally fail to do what is needed, because of individual selfishness. I don’t mean selfish in a bad sense, but in that we will all naturally consider our situation and how our situation will be affected. Consciously, or not, we will account for our own needs, desires and fears. I strongly believe that this an abstract thought process that we apply everywhere.
I just looked up about yes sets. Haha, I was so so confused why you writing of car sales. No, I was trying to establish a foundation of agreement. I hoped you would agree with caring for yourself and others in your life. I also assumed that your brain would process the implications, whether you’d like it to or not. Sometimes those questions seem to cause some sort of cognitive dissonance (something else I try to understand) and the person refuses to answer in a candid way, or has an emotional outburst. I experience it all the time in the US now. MAGA mind will argue in bad faith until they pass out. If one won’t answer questions that ground the conversation, they are likely a troll.
We can end it here, that’s fine.