People keep saying that, but is that really true? Because I just don’t see society having any sort of memory.
For fuck sake, the guy is a rapist, pedophile, liar of the highest order. No one cares. Sure, some people are moving away from US services/products, but 1. Not that many people are doing it and 2. Once a non pedophile, war-monger gets back in the presidency, some little bit of marketing and everyone will go back to buying US.
I just don’t think anyone gives a shit. There is like 1 principled person for every 100000 people.
People keep saying that, but is that really true? Because I just don’t see society having any sort of memory.
American society
For fuck sake, the guy is a rapist, pedophile, liar of the highest order. No one cares. Sure, some people are moving away from US services/products, but 1.
Americans didn’t seem to care, the rest of the world was screaming top of our collective lungs
Not that many people are doing it and 2. Once a non pedophile, war-monger gets back in the presidency, some little bit of marketing and everyone will go back to buying US.
Business people are soulless ghouls so that could happen… but the regular people can hold a grudge. Look at how Canada’s population has rejected anything USA even when the Gov was all appeasement and boot licking until this speech… also remember how much Americans seem to hate Russia and Communism even though most can barely point to one in the map or understand the definition of the other in the dictionary
I just don’t think anyone gives a shit. There is like 1 principled person for every 100000 people.
Again, you are judging the world on the template of Muricans
Unfortunately the damage is done. Nations that were asleep at the wheel so to speak and just complacent with the world order arangement have woken up to the danger and risk of doing that. Europe is not going to rely on the US for security anymore no matter who is in charge.
There will be agreements and treaties and shit like that, but our global power is waining (as will the dollar).
I agree. People elsewhere, like here, will just want to try carrying on like normal. The alternative is too hard. Where are they going to get their supplemental LNG and oil? Are they going to switch to only Linux instead of Windows or macos? Iphones? Our oligarchs, and others will continue to corrupt the world’s politicians, and fund increasingly sophisticated propaganda campaigns. The decision makers will cave to oligarchs’ carrots and sticks.
You are over estimating the importance of american products.
Android has 60% market share in eu while iphone has 39%.
Norway and Algeria supplied both more LNG to europe than USA in 2024.
At Q3. 2025 EU bought only 14,5% of our petrolium oil from USA. Norway alone was 14,6%.
EU is allready looking into making our own replacement for visa and mastercard.
Food and drink is not really a problem as many processed products USA produces already recognized as non suitable for human consuption. South america will be happy to provide nuts and fruits for EU. Especially when their neighboring country is acting hostile towards them at the moment and most alchohol USA produce is considered bottomself stuff.
Car imports from the USA has been falling for years, even before Trumps tarifs.
I think windows is hardest to shake as most businesses use it and most softwares are designed to use it.
Cultural things like movies, tv series and music and somesoftware are also hard to replace.
If Algeria gets in bed with US oligarchs, then they will be used as a pawn against the EU. What would you do in winter when some pressure campaign or insurgency is upon you, but budgeted energy is cut short?
A lot of expensive painful changes will have to happen in the EU. Individuals are weak and don’t want their boat rocked. A great period of austerity may be needed to fund the changes. Individuals will hang on to lifestyles that they are accustomed to, and expect the same in the future. When presented with reality, they will experience cognitive dissonance. Many individuals will choose to fool themselves that there is another way, or that things aren’t bad enough to warrant the loss of what they expected their short existence to be like.
Android is open source. Google makes money trough playstore and youtube. Google pays for phone manufactorers so they keep apps like maps and gmail preinstalled on the phones. If at some point there would be situation where company like samsung would need to choose between googles money or their biggest market, market wins. By a huge margin.
USA has hard time stopping Algeria from trading with EU by any other way than military force. EU is their biggest trade partner. 48% of their trade is to European Union.
Also where you get the individuals are weak thing? Like i already said. You are over estimating the importance American trade. And you are forgetting trade goes both ways.
Millions of jobs in the United States are related to EU-US trade and investment. The European Union is a reliable source of critical supplies to the United States, including medicinal ingredients and pharmaceutical products, advanced machinery and equipment, and aerospace parts and components. At the same time, the European Union is the largest buyer of the United States’ natural gas and oil, but states are not the biggest importer of gas and oil for EU.
Total bilateral trade in goods between the EU and the US reached €851 billion in 2023. The EU exported €503 billion of goods to the US market, while importing €347 billion; this resulted in a goods trade surplus of €157 billion for the EU.
Total bilateral trade in services between the EU and the US was worth €746 billion in 2023. The EU exported €319 billion of services to the US, while importing €427 billion from the US; this resulted in a services trade deficit of €109 billion for the EU.
The difference between EU exports to the US and US exports to the EU stood at €48 billion in 2023; the equivalent of just 3% of the total trade between the EU and the US.
Also since you like to talk about the oligarchs.
The EU and the US are also major investment partners. EU and US firms have €4.7 trillion worth of investment in each other’s markets (2023 data).
How do you think these oligarchs feel if that 5,5 trillion dollars of investments start to unravel.
Everyone is accustomed to Google’s bundled apps and various backend web services. People generally don’t like change, so they will continue to use them. Those components are binaries and runtime calls to proprietary software. You can’t go compile them yourself. So it will continue to be a viable foothold.
MLK wrote about the white moderates being the largest stifling force to change. Collectively, they’d say we need these changes for justice and equality, but always bail and say not like this, or not at this time. The changes that needed to happen would disturb or destroy the lives they individually sought. Individuals think about themselves first. If the changes needed would cause a period of economic hardship for their families, then they may soften their support. If they have kind hearts, but are completely accustomed to privileged lifestyles, they will have internal contention if the needed changes could upend it. They will have fear. If individuals or families have medical conditions, they will have internal contention about anything even temporarily interrupting care. On and on and on. This is the problem we are facing right now in the US. As a people, our majority calls for change. Individually, we are calculating what we would truly sacrifice. Have you not read the endless comments from the US individuals stating why they can’t do more?
Oligarchs created our current situation. The long term goal in the EU is same as for the US, regulatory capture and then privatization of public services and resources.
Whitout disrespecting MLK, he wrote about completelly different people, with completelly different values who were living in a different time. You cant really bring writings about highly individualistic culture in a time when racial segration was common and slavery were still so fresh there were both, people who used to own slaves and people who were born in slavery alive, and except it to represent modern day europeans accuratelly. I think Bernie Sanders is good example. In USA he is perceived as a borderline extremist by some, but in most european countries his policies are pretty mild and centrist.
I bet EU countries would fare much better than USA in face of economic hardship. Europeans generally are not as invidualistic as americans and social safety nets are better.
And no, i honestly havent seen those comments. I try to steer clear from social media, and what i have seen here are more desperate calls for action than anything else.
I have really hard time beliving the rich and powerfull would on purpose cross the line and bomb the economy, because they have most to lose. The risk and the reward just does not add up.
How are different people and such? My parents were adults when MLK was murdered. My parents are still alive and politically active.
EU would definitely handle a downturn better than us. That has nothing to do with what I was saying. I am talking about innate psychological phenomenon within all of us.
If money is so smart and free of all human mental fragility, then why is it that they always have a giant hand in fascism? It’s part of the very definition of fascism. Fascist regimes last a long time and destroy economies, yet they still happen. Interesting, maybe they are not gods of wisdom and logic, but slaves to greed and power. They seek not to strengthen each other’s hands, but to dominate each other. Money payed to power returns them power and money to even stomp on each other.
He lived in a time when racial segregation was the norm and wrote from the perspective afro american male.
Women had just gotten a right to vote and while they could get a job, huge part of them were housewifes. And the jobs they could apply were still very limited.
The whole socioeconomic situation and upbringing of people cant be compared to modern day EU. I think good example how much culture and history effects to the way people act, is watching how people in Japan react during and after disasters and compare it to how people in states react. Granted its extreme example and USA and EU are not that far apart from eachother, but it shows well how differently different cultures act in different situation. Hence i say, that MLK’s writings cant just be willy nilly aplied to people living on the otherside of the world allmost a century after the writing.
I did not say money was smart. Im saying that if you have billions tied to a boat you dont want to shake it. Fasist regimes are not the same as oligarch. Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini were not rich busines men when they started their politics. Maybe they werent dirt poor either, but most of their wealth came after. If you look soviets at the beginning there were rich people who tried to fight the regime, but in the end they were forced to work with the leaders in power or disapear. What i am trying to say is, when people have lots of money tied to something, they try to keep things steady. Ofcouse there will be fanatics, but most people who handle huge amounts of money are business savy enough to see that tanking the economy now is not worth of the unsure payout in the future, when the way things go now are allready making them rich.
It’s not just that, I meant more from an international geopolitics POV.
Countries are also for example getting rid of US dollar in favour of gold and silver, or investing in non-US solutions or income streams for many problems technical, agricultural, medical etc because the US might tariff them for no fricking reason. People are no longer looking as much to US as a place where they can settle with their families long term, or a place to conduct research because a large population is brainwashed into being anti-science and anti-immigrant.
I would like this to be true (which is fucked up when you think about it), but do we actually have hard evidence or is this still just speculation? Sure, a lot of information indicates that Trump & co has been involved in sexual abuse with Epstein. Not trying to be a troll or bait, but we need to base our claims on facts and evidence or else we will become just like Trump & co - liars and conspirators.
Well, he was found civilly liable for rape, so I’d say that one is settled. As for pedophilia, we have a lot of circumstantial evidence, and he’s literally blocking the release of the hard evidence, so I’d say most reasonable people can come to that conclusion.
As for the pedophilia, his various comments over the years sexualizing minors (including his own daughter), eyewitness accounts of him entering teen pageant dressing rooms unannounced, his close friendship with Epstein, and his general unwillingness to cooperate with releasing unredacted versions of the files are just about all the evidence you need to have a reasonable suspicion that he is involved with the trafficking or rape of children. Unfortunately we probably won’t know the whole truth until after he leaves office or dies because we live in a clown country where the chief executive is immune to consequences.
People keep saying that, but is that really true? Because I just don’t see society having any sort of memory.
For fuck sake, the guy is a rapist, pedophile, liar of the highest order. No one cares. Sure, some people are moving away from US services/products, but 1. Not that many people are doing it and 2. Once a non pedophile, war-monger gets back in the presidency, some little bit of marketing and everyone will go back to buying US.
I just don’t think anyone gives a shit. There is like 1 principled person for every 100000 people.
American society
Americans didn’t seem to care, the rest of the world was screaming top of our collective lungs
Business people are soulless ghouls so that could happen… but the regular people can hold a grudge. Look at how Canada’s population has rejected anything USA even when the Gov was all appeasement and boot licking until this speech… also remember how much Americans seem to hate Russia and Communism even though most can barely point to one in the map or understand the definition of the other in the dictionary
Again, you are judging the world on the template of Muricans
You conflate internal and international politics.
This is what is wrong with the world. People have become so numb, that they don’t care.
Firehose of falsehood. Russian propaganda playbook of making people resigned and indifferent.
We need to deny the United States that marketing, then. Hollywood is failing right now. We need to make sure it doesn’t recover.
The tide is turning.
Checks and balances have to get a whole lot stronger before anyone trusts the US long term.
It remains to be seen if you’ll ever have free elections again. You might become a dictatorship well before then.
Unfortunately the damage is done. Nations that were asleep at the wheel so to speak and just complacent with the world order arangement have woken up to the danger and risk of doing that. Europe is not going to rely on the US for security anymore no matter who is in charge.
There will be agreements and treaties and shit like that, but our global power is waining (as will the dollar).
I agree. People elsewhere, like here, will just want to try carrying on like normal. The alternative is too hard. Where are they going to get their supplemental LNG and oil? Are they going to switch to only Linux instead of Windows or macos? Iphones? Our oligarchs, and others will continue to corrupt the world’s politicians, and fund increasingly sophisticated propaganda campaigns. The decision makers will cave to oligarchs’ carrots and sticks.
You are over estimating the importance of american products. Android has 60% market share in eu while iphone has 39%. Norway and Algeria supplied both more LNG to europe than USA in 2024.
At Q3. 2025 EU bought only 14,5% of our petrolium oil from USA. Norway alone was 14,6%.
EU is allready looking into making our own replacement for visa and mastercard.
Food and drink is not really a problem as many processed products USA produces already recognized as non suitable for human consuption. South america will be happy to provide nuts and fruits for EU. Especially when their neighboring country is acting hostile towards them at the moment and most alchohol USA produce is considered bottomself stuff.
Car imports from the USA has been falling for years, even before Trumps tarifs.
I think windows is hardest to shake as most businesses use it and most softwares are designed to use it.
Cultural things like movies, tv series and music and somesoftware are also hard to replace.
I forgot to mention Google’s Android. So it seems nearly 100% of the EU is using a US controlled device in their pocket. Nice little spy devices.
“Algeria’s growing willingness to collaborate with the United States should not be seen solely as a security measure, but as part of a comprehensive strategy to reposition itself geopolitically in an increasingly unstable international environment.” https://www.atalayar.com/en/articulo/politics/russias-growing-influence-in-the-sahel-is-forcing-algeria-to-rethink-its-defence-strategy/20250510130000214532.html
If Algeria gets in bed with US oligarchs, then they will be used as a pawn against the EU. What would you do in winter when some pressure campaign or insurgency is upon you, but budgeted energy is cut short?
A lot of expensive painful changes will have to happen in the EU. Individuals are weak and don’t want their boat rocked. A great period of austerity may be needed to fund the changes. Individuals will hang on to lifestyles that they are accustomed to, and expect the same in the future. When presented with reality, they will experience cognitive dissonance. Many individuals will choose to fool themselves that there is another way, or that things aren’t bad enough to warrant the loss of what they expected their short existence to be like.
Android is open source. Google makes money trough playstore and youtube. Google pays for phone manufactorers so they keep apps like maps and gmail preinstalled on the phones. If at some point there would be situation where company like samsung would need to choose between googles money or their biggest market, market wins. By a huge margin.
USA has hard time stopping Algeria from trading with EU by any other way than military force. EU is their biggest trade partner. 48% of their trade is to European Union.
Also where you get the individuals are weak thing? Like i already said. You are over estimating the importance American trade. And you are forgetting trade goes both ways.
Millions of jobs in the United States are related to EU-US trade and investment. The European Union is a reliable source of critical supplies to the United States, including medicinal ingredients and pharmaceutical products, advanced machinery and equipment, and aerospace parts and components. At the same time, the European Union is the largest buyer of the United States’ natural gas and oil, but states are not the biggest importer of gas and oil for EU.
Total bilateral trade in goods between the EU and the US reached €851 billion in 2023. The EU exported €503 billion of goods to the US market, while importing €347 billion; this resulted in a goods trade surplus of €157 billion for the EU. Total bilateral trade in services between the EU and the US was worth €746 billion in 2023. The EU exported €319 billion of services to the US, while importing €427 billion from the US; this resulted in a services trade deficit of €109 billion for the EU.
The difference between EU exports to the US and US exports to the EU stood at €48 billion in 2023; the equivalent of just 3% of the total trade between the EU and the US.
Also since you like to talk about the oligarchs.
The EU and the US are also major investment partners. EU and US firms have €4.7 trillion worth of investment in each other’s markets (2023 data).
How do you think these oligarchs feel if that 5,5 trillion dollars of investments start to unravel.
Everyone is accustomed to Google’s bundled apps and various backend web services. People generally don’t like change, so they will continue to use them. Those components are binaries and runtime calls to proprietary software. You can’t go compile them yourself. So it will continue to be a viable foothold.
MLK wrote about the white moderates being the largest stifling force to change. Collectively, they’d say we need these changes for justice and equality, but always bail and say not like this, or not at this time. The changes that needed to happen would disturb or destroy the lives they individually sought. Individuals think about themselves first. If the changes needed would cause a period of economic hardship for their families, then they may soften their support. If they have kind hearts, but are completely accustomed to privileged lifestyles, they will have internal contention if the needed changes could upend it. They will have fear. If individuals or families have medical conditions, they will have internal contention about anything even temporarily interrupting care. On and on and on. This is the problem we are facing right now in the US. As a people, our majority calls for change. Individually, we are calculating what we would truly sacrifice. Have you not read the endless comments from the US individuals stating why they can’t do more?
Oligarchs created our current situation. The long term goal in the EU is same as for the US, regulatory capture and then privatization of public services and resources.
Whitout disrespecting MLK, he wrote about completelly different people, with completelly different values who were living in a different time. You cant really bring writings about highly individualistic culture in a time when racial segration was common and slavery were still so fresh there were both, people who used to own slaves and people who were born in slavery alive, and except it to represent modern day europeans accuratelly. I think Bernie Sanders is good example. In USA he is perceived as a borderline extremist by some, but in most european countries his policies are pretty mild and centrist.
I bet EU countries would fare much better than USA in face of economic hardship. Europeans generally are not as invidualistic as americans and social safety nets are better.
And no, i honestly havent seen those comments. I try to steer clear from social media, and what i have seen here are more desperate calls for action than anything else.
I have really hard time beliving the rich and powerfull would on purpose cross the line and bomb the economy, because they have most to lose. The risk and the reward just does not add up.
How are different people and such? My parents were adults when MLK was murdered. My parents are still alive and politically active.
EU would definitely handle a downturn better than us. That has nothing to do with what I was saying. I am talking about innate psychological phenomenon within all of us.
If money is so smart and free of all human mental fragility, then why is it that they always have a giant hand in fascism? It’s part of the very definition of fascism. Fascist regimes last a long time and destroy economies, yet they still happen. Interesting, maybe they are not gods of wisdom and logic, but slaves to greed and power. They seek not to strengthen each other’s hands, but to dominate each other. Money payed to power returns them power and money to even stomp on each other.
He lived in a time when racial segregation was the norm and wrote from the perspective afro american male.
Women had just gotten a right to vote and while they could get a job, huge part of them were housewifes. And the jobs they could apply were still very limited.
The whole socioeconomic situation and upbringing of people cant be compared to modern day EU. I think good example how much culture and history effects to the way people act, is watching how people in Japan react during and after disasters and compare it to how people in states react. Granted its extreme example and USA and EU are not that far apart from eachother, but it shows well how differently different cultures act in different situation. Hence i say, that MLK’s writings cant just be willy nilly aplied to people living on the otherside of the world allmost a century after the writing.
I did not say money was smart. Im saying that if you have billions tied to a boat you dont want to shake it. Fasist regimes are not the same as oligarch. Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini were not rich busines men when they started their politics. Maybe they werent dirt poor either, but most of their wealth came after. If you look soviets at the beginning there were rich people who tried to fight the regime, but in the end they were forced to work with the leaders in power or disapear. What i am trying to say is, when people have lots of money tied to something, they try to keep things steady. Ofcouse there will be fanatics, but most people who handle huge amounts of money are business savy enough to see that tanking the economy now is not worth of the unsure payout in the future, when the way things go now are allready making them rich.
It’s not just that, I meant more from an international geopolitics POV.
Countries are also for example getting rid of US dollar in favour of gold and silver, or investing in non-US solutions or income streams for many problems technical, agricultural, medical etc because the US might tariff them for no fricking reason. People are no longer looking as much to US as a place where they can settle with their families long term, or a place to conduct research because a large population is brainwashed into being anti-science and anti-immigrant.
I would like this to be true (which is fucked up when you think about it), but do we actually have hard evidence or is this still just speculation? Sure, a lot of information indicates that Trump & co has been involved in sexual abuse with Epstein. Not trying to be a troll or bait, but we need to base our claims on facts and evidence or else we will become just like Trump & co - liars and conspirators.
Well, he was found civilly liable for rape, so I’d say that one is settled. As for pedophilia, we have a lot of circumstantial evidence, and he’s literally blocking the release of the hard evidence, so I’d say most reasonable people can come to that conclusion.
He is an adjudicated rapist.
As for the pedophilia, his various comments over the years sexualizing minors (including his own daughter), eyewitness accounts of him entering teen pageant dressing rooms unannounced, his close friendship with Epstein, and his general unwillingness to cooperate with releasing unredacted versions of the files are just about all the evidence you need to have a reasonable suspicion that he is involved with the trafficking or rape of children. Unfortunately we probably won’t know the whole truth until after he leaves office or dies because we live in a clown country where the chief executive is immune to consequences.