If ‘pro-Palestine’ leaders can see 3 years of genocide and still condemn the resistance before or after condemning the perpetrators - they are not going to save us from fascists.

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    mamdani looks like controlled opposition to me. put yourself in netanyahu’s shoes , what is he supposed to say ? is there any action being taken against israel ? are there any noteworthy anti zionist institutions or groups he can talk about ? its sad that mamdani is the worst thing he can find in US / west

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    If you think Mamdani is a psyop then you might as well just become right wing dude, because 1) we’ve already lost beyond all hope and 2) tbh you’re gullible AF

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      The NYPD under Mamdani escorted Netanyahu to the UN and is having protestors arrested (including Hannah Einbinder and Susan Sarandon) and he’s (Netanyahu) still going after him. You have to laugh at this point, no meaningful antizionism anywhere in power.

      But don’t worry. He posted a new viral PR video so he’s definitely ‘resisting’ Zionists.

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        That doesn’t mean he’s controlled opposition, it means he’s a social-democrat who’s experiencing the limitations of what you can do within the structures of the capitalist state. This is why Marx and Lenin empasize the necessity of breaking down the old state, and building a new one.

        The police of the old, bourgeois state will not simply accept a progressive leadership, it will continue to act against the interests of the working class, whoever their ofiicial boss is.

        A similar thing just happened in Germany: Die Linke won the Berlin state elections. Their platform included that the growth of the police budget should stop, and there are now multiple newsstories going around filled with anekdotes about how they won’t be able to do their job under a Die Linke administration.

        This behaviour is to be expected of the police in these circumstances, it does not mean Mandani is secretly controled by the CIA.

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          being a social-fascist makes you controlled opposition. regardless of whether he has a cia handler or just a dnc handler, mamdani materially supports the continuation and expansion of empire, including in palestine. an fdr for the modern day.

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            being a social-fascist makes you controlled opposition. regardless of whether he has a cia handler

            Having a handler is actually quite a crucial element in determining if someone is controlled opposition or not. If you want to argue against social-democrats, please do so, but you should not allow yourself to be content with a level of analysis that doesn’t go further than just slapping any insult on everyone from any political current we disagree with. Marxism has the tools to construct much better critiques, which will also help you much more in popularising our message.

            or just a dnc handler

            He doesn’t even have a DNC handler. Have you watched the news recently? The democratic party is behaving completely hysterical because some social-democrats are winning in their primaries.

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              okay, well then the word is social-fascist. he absolutely does have contact with the dnc, which is why he is allowed to run in their party. the fact that some democrats kind of don’t like their coworkers doesn’t render them materially enemies. for the same reason that republicans run on moderate democrats being communists, moderate democrats run on social democrats being communists.

              i don’t think you were arguing against this but i do think it deserves special attention. the reason social democrats are social-fascists is that they materially support and uphold imperialism. lenin notes in chapter 6 of Imperialism that one of the chief drivers of imperialism is the need to provide stability at home. in order to do that, you need some mechanism to transfer superprofits to people who otherwise would be rioting in the streets. social democrats provide that mechanism. their job is to force the capitalists to take their medicine. and to bring it back to the above, “of course they meet in rooms”

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            That’s the German SPD, Mandami hasn’t murdered any communists that I know of. As 2026-marxist, I’m not responsible for a famine in Ukraine in 1932, and he’s not responsible for that. In the current constellation of forces, Mandami is certainly an ally.

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              But the Marxists in 1932 also weren’t responsible for the famine in Ukraine unless you believe in the double genocide theory that is holodmor.

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              An ‘ally’ doesn’t condemn the resistance to genocide before or after talking about the genocide.

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              Right, and the AfD and Alice Weidel hasn’t murdered any Jews. As a 2026-fascist party, they’re not responsible for the Holocaust.

              You’d have to argue that this rendition of social democracy is categorically different in a way that would not likely lead towards collaboration with empire. If so, how?

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          You don’t need to be a CIA agent to be a class traitor to the labor and anti-colonial movement. Being a Social Democrat is enough.

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          online larpers performing opinion politics rather than active politics hate nuance. It’s pointless to argue with them. Just let them rot in their forgotten corner of the internet. There’s a future out there to win.

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        Mamdani did see if there was a legal way for the NYPD to arrest Hitleryahoo, but there is not. Curious to know what your next step would be after he’s in custody at a neighborhood NYPD precinct.

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          There was. He could arrest Netanyahu for crimes against Americans which Israel killed.

          Netanyahu would then be handed over to Federal police, which could free him. But Mamdani would have kept his promise.

          He did not.

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          Curious to know what your next step would be after he’s in custody at a neighborhood NYPD precinct.

          Hopefully something like in the case of Oskar Dirlewanger.

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            He was not a head of state whose protection had been guaranteed by the US federal government.

            Any other ideas?

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      nah, you just have to be a student of history and even the laziest student can point out that history has proven multiple times that punching left – like mamdani does – is the biggest sign that they’re a liberal.