Weren’t you saying that any organization not already taking up arms was counter-revolutionary? How do you counter a revolution that isn’t happening yet? Shouldn’t we focus on education, agitation, and organization over trying to claim anyone not presently engaged in guerilla warfare is anti-revolutionary? It sounds like you are advocating suicide by cop for the politically aware, which would set everything back.
I’m aware of the fact that the US state apparatus crushes and delegitimizes organizing efforts. I fail to see why you believe the correct course of action to be, within this context, to launch a guerilla war.
two things are necessary to be successful in a revolution . . . an idea in the head, and a bullet in the rifle! The force of action guided by the force of Anarchist thought.
— Kropotkin
How do you get anarchist ideas in people’s heads, if not by educating, agitating, and organizing? Wouldn’t it be better to form a disciplined revolutionary organization that can do all 3, taking issues like public opposition to Trump to proliferate these ideas? That’s what most groups have been using the No Kings protests for. Rallies and protests aren’t just going outside, holding a sign, and going home. They come with numerous conversations and recruitment drives that advance these three lines.
At foodbanks, parks, libraries, free free markets, etc… You have ⅓ of the population unwilling to get educated, agitated, organized. The other ⅓ is destroying educational materials, agitating, and organized. We are the last ⅓, the class conscience educated, agitated, but disorganize group. You won’t be agitating the unwilling, or the nazis.
Rallies and protests aren’t just going outside, holding a sign, and going home.
Then how was your recruiting tally? We got zero volunteers. Heck Texas managed to arrest theirs, Utah got some killed, Michiganders got deathcamped. Demagogues are dead set on keeping us killed, burned, and unremembered.
I can’t give any numbers, but I can say that educating, agitating, and organizing is still very effective, and remains to be the most critical task. I’d say 5% are actually educated, agitated, and organized, maybe even 1%, or .1%. However, I’d also say that 75% of people are increasingly willing to learn, as conditions continue to decay and organization continues to advance. The rates of organization and radicalization are accelerating.
The way I see it, being unwilling is almost always because someone doesn’t yet feel the need to. As imperialism decays, more and more people feel the heat under their feet, and feel the need to understand why. This happens at different rates for different people in different positions, but it is happening. And no, we can’t really sway Nazis. At the end of the day, reactionaries exist, and will oppose us.
For clarity, I’m a Marxist-Leninist, not an anarchist. I used to be one, but that’s no longer a part of my life. I am simply advocating for effective practice, which even anarchists should be able to copy.
OPSEC is generally poor, which is why disciplined organizations are necessary. As for opposing vanguardism, this just returns us to the problem at hand: how do you educate, agitate, and organize, without building up an organization with both discipline and the will to do so? This is why it seems to me that you are so cynical about everything, you oppose tried and true methods, and at the same time believe that because there is no guerilla war ongoing right now, that the class struggle isn’t advancing. It’s pure defeatism.
Weren’t you saying that any organization not already taking up arms was counter-revolutionary? How do you counter a revolution that isn’t happening yet? Shouldn’t we focus on education, agitation, and organization over trying to claim anyone not presently engaged in guerilla warfare is anti-revolutionary? It sounds like you are advocating suicide by cop for the politically aware, which would set everything back.
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I’m aware of the fact that the US state apparatus crushes and delegitimizes organizing efforts. I fail to see why you believe the correct course of action to be, within this context, to launch a guerilla war.
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How do you get anarchist ideas in people’s heads, if not by educating, agitating, and organizing? Wouldn’t it be better to form a disciplined revolutionary organization that can do all 3, taking issues like public opposition to Trump to proliferate these ideas? That’s what most groups have been using the No Kings protests for. Rallies and protests aren’t just going outside, holding a sign, and going home. They come with numerous conversations and recruitment drives that advance these three lines.
At foodbanks, parks, libraries, free free markets, etc… You have ⅓ of the population unwilling to get educated, agitated, organized. The other ⅓ is destroying educational materials, agitating, and organized. We are the last ⅓, the class conscience educated, agitated, but disorganize group. You won’t be agitating the unwilling, or the nazis.
Then how was your recruiting tally? We got zero volunteers. Heck Texas managed to arrest theirs, Utah got some killed, Michiganders got deathcamped. Demagogues are dead set on keeping us killed, burned, and unremembered.
I can’t give any numbers, but I can say that educating, agitating, and organizing is still very effective, and remains to be the most critical task. I’d say 5% are actually educated, agitated, and organized, maybe even 1%, or .1%. However, I’d also say that 75% of people are increasingly willing to learn, as conditions continue to decay and organization continues to advance. The rates of organization and radicalization are accelerating.
The way I see it, being unwilling is almost always because someone doesn’t yet feel the need to. As imperialism decays, more and more people feel the heat under their feet, and feel the need to understand why. This happens at different rates for different people in different positions, but it is happening. And no, we can’t really sway Nazis. At the end of the day, reactionaries exist, and will oppose us.
For clarity, I’m a Marxist-Leninist, not an anarchist. I used to be one, but that’s no longer a part of my life. I am simply advocating for effective practice, which even anarchists should be able to copy.
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Last time I got detailed that Americans have piss poor OPSEC.
I am myself opossum anarchist: my vanguardism ends with our freedom. No buros, no Trotskyism.
OPSEC is generally poor, which is why disciplined organizations are necessary. As for opposing vanguardism, this just returns us to the problem at hand: how do you educate, agitate, and organize, without building up an organization with both discipline and the will to do so? This is why it seems to me that you are so cynical about everything, you oppose tried and true methods, and at the same time believe that because there is no guerilla war ongoing right now, that the class struggle isn’t advancing. It’s pure defeatism.