Everyone who is not a kid understands what color revolutions are. The education system makes sure that they learn about it, in high schools and in universities. Those who chose to be willfully ignorant of it are probably either reactionaries or school drop-outs.
The loving-the-West symptoms were more prevalent in the near past than now, especially since we observe American society breaks down. Those who still worship white men are just ignorant.
The people of Vietnam also closely watch Fulbright. So even if they’d like to pull off that shit again, they’d have to be more covert about it.
The fight against reactionaries and peaceful evolution is a never-ending struggle. It’s not a once and done thing. Both the people and the cadres are responsible. The people watch the cadres, the cadres guide the people.
Where in the South do you live? It’s possible that the region you are in have some confirmation bias.
The fight against reactionaries and peaceful evolution is a never-ending struggle. It’s not a once and done thing. Both the people and the cadres are responsible. The people watch the cadres, the cadres guide the people.
A timely reminder. And I hope your observations regarding Vietnam are the prevalent.
I’d prefer not to be too specific, but lets say south-central. I travel to TPHCM/Bien Hoa somewhat frequently and I’ve been as far north as Ha Noi and Lao Cai. There is definitely a reactionary bias here. What region do you live in?
I’ve had to explain what a color revolution is, and how they operate, to full-grown adults here. I’d love to be more optimistic too.
I know being critical of VN is personally dangerous and also likely to tilt the mods here. Anyone here who doesn’t think a Viet ML, living in Viet Nam, doesn’t know how it is, I invite them to come learn the language and live here for a year and see for themselves.
Lingering sentiment in southern Vietnam toward the Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV) is rooted in history. Many of the most reactionary elements fled to the U.S. after 1975. Their relatives remain, supported by remittances and pathways to U.S. citizenship, creating a material basis for pro-American sympathy.
Historically, Vietnam’s relationship with China is defined by centuries of domination contrasted with a brief period of communist camaraderie. The fraternal bond between Ho Chi Minh and Mao was genuine, but it was catastrophically damaged by the 1979 border war and the conflict over Cambodia. The persistent South China Sea disputes, a major point of contention from the late 20th century onward, have continuously strained the relationship. These maritime conflicts transform historical grievance into a present-day, tangible issue of sovereignty and resources.
This shifting perception coincided with Đổi Mới. To develop, Vietnam opened to the global economy. The nearest, richest market was the West. This created a new material base:
The South, with its ports and historical links, became the engine for Western-facing trade and investment.
This base then shaped the ideological superstructure: a generation in the South now sees the U.S. as a primary partner for development and, for some, a potential strategic counterweight.
The North retains stronger memories of the wars with both the U.S. and China. The state, pursuing national development, intentionally invested in the South to harness its proximity to Western markets.
The southern economic base, built on this Western integration, naturally fostered a new ideological reality: a generation more oriented toward global consumerism than party doctrine. This is not a failure of propaganda but a dialectical outcome of the development strategy. Systemic corruption emerged as a severe, destabilizing cost of this rapid economic model. The party’s perpetual and contradictory project is to manage the resulting ideological drift while checking the corruption that threatens its legitimacy, all to maintain enough discipline for the state machinery to function and prevent the corrosion of the party structure itself.
I agree with your outline here. Although I think there are deeper roots to the corruption problem that go back to lack of ideological coherence between regions, ethnic groups and factions during the war. Obviously, Uncle Ho was very good at getting ideologically disparate people to unite against colonialism, but afterwards getting everyone to understand and believe in socialist reconstruction has been a bigger challenge. Its a small country, but attitudes, dialects and world views can vary to the extreme depending on where you are. The corruption we have to deal with here, comes from people who only believe in money and family. It is a great shame to see so many wear the uniform and the symbols, but not care at all about what they are supposed to represent.
I know being critical of VN is personally dangerous.
It’s honestly depends. If you complain about “human rights” and all other Western cliche, then you would certainly be invited to a tea by the authorities at minimum.
I invite them to come learn the language and live here for a year and see for themselves.
It’s honestly depends. If you complain about “human rights” and all other Western cliche, then you would certainly be invited to a tea by the authorities at minimum.
LOL. Okay. Sure.
The NGOs whine about that crap and nobody arrest them. That’s not why people here get arrested or harassed by police. Everyone here knows, you don’t?
Everyone who is not a kid understands what color revolutions are. The education system makes sure that they learn about it, in high schools and in universities. Those who chose to be willfully ignorant of it are probably either reactionaries or school drop-outs.
The loving-the-West symptoms were more prevalent in the near past than now, especially since we observe American society breaks down. Those who still worship white men are just ignorant.
The people of Vietnam also closely watch Fulbright. So even if they’d like to pull off that shit again, they’d have to be more covert about it.
The fight against reactionaries and peaceful evolution is a never-ending struggle. It’s not a once and done thing. Both the people and the cadres are responsible. The people watch the cadres, the cadres guide the people.
Where in the South do you live? It’s possible that the region you are in have some confirmation bias.
A timely reminder. And I hope your observations regarding Vietnam are the prevalent.
I’d prefer not to be too specific, but lets say south-central. I travel to TPHCM/Bien Hoa somewhat frequently and I’ve been as far north as Ha Noi and Lao Cai. There is definitely a reactionary bias here. What region do you live in?
I’ve had to explain what a color revolution is, and how they operate, to full-grown adults here. I’d love to be more optimistic too.
I know being critical of VN is personally dangerous and also likely to tilt the mods here. Anyone here who doesn’t think a Viet ML, living in Viet Nam, doesn’t know how it is, I invite them to come learn the language and live here for a year and see for themselves.
Lingering sentiment in southern Vietnam toward the Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV) is rooted in history. Many of the most reactionary elements fled to the U.S. after 1975. Their relatives remain, supported by remittances and pathways to U.S. citizenship, creating a material basis for pro-American sympathy.
Historically, Vietnam’s relationship with China is defined by centuries of domination contrasted with a brief period of communist camaraderie. The fraternal bond between Ho Chi Minh and Mao was genuine, but it was catastrophically damaged by the 1979 border war and the conflict over Cambodia. The persistent South China Sea disputes, a major point of contention from the late 20th century onward, have continuously strained the relationship. These maritime conflicts transform historical grievance into a present-day, tangible issue of sovereignty and resources.
This shifting perception coincided with Đổi Mới. To develop, Vietnam opened to the global economy. The nearest, richest market was the West. This created a new material base:
The South, with its ports and historical links, became the engine for Western-facing trade and investment.
This base then shaped the ideological superstructure: a generation in the South now sees the U.S. as a primary partner for development and, for some, a potential strategic counterweight.
The North retains stronger memories of the wars with both the U.S. and China. The state, pursuing national development, intentionally invested in the South to harness its proximity to Western markets.
The southern economic base, built on this Western integration, naturally fostered a new ideological reality: a generation more oriented toward global consumerism than party doctrine. This is not a failure of propaganda but a dialectical outcome of the development strategy. Systemic corruption emerged as a severe, destabilizing cost of this rapid economic model. The party’s perpetual and contradictory project is to manage the resulting ideological drift while checking the corruption that threatens its legitimacy, all to maintain enough discipline for the state machinery to function and prevent the corrosion of the party structure itself.
I agree with your outline here. Although I think there are deeper roots to the corruption problem that go back to lack of ideological coherence between regions, ethnic groups and factions during the war. Obviously, Uncle Ho was very good at getting ideologically disparate people to unite against colonialism, but afterwards getting everyone to understand and believe in socialist reconstruction has been a bigger challenge. Its a small country, but attitudes, dialects and world views can vary to the extreme depending on where you are. The corruption we have to deal with here, comes from people who only believe in money and family. It is a great shame to see so many wear the uniform and the symbols, but not care at all about what they are supposed to represent.
I’m in some rural area.
It’s honestly depends. If you complain about “human rights” and all other Western cliche, then you would certainly be invited to a tea by the authorities at minimum.
I lived here my whole life.
LOL. Okay. Sure.
The NGOs whine about that crap and nobody arrest them. That’s not why people here get arrested or harassed by police. Everyone here knows, you don’t?
I have never tried writing a hit piece on Vietnam that somehow goes viral on social media, so maybe not. What then are you referring to?
LOL Is this reddit? Do you just come here to lie on the internet?
I was being serious. Yet you came here to troll. I’m very disappointed.
BTW, “kredditacc” is just a username. Nothing more.
Oh no, the lying troll is disappointed! 😭