• eleijeep@piefed.social
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    26 days ago

    Sometimes the truth hurts. And sometimes the truth is amplified unnaturally by foreign intelligence services to divide and destabilise western democracies.

    It’s not so much about what’s true, but more about the agenda of the person who is speaking it.

    Let us have our own discussion of what matters in our societies, instead of letting our enemy dictate the agenda of our public discourse.

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      26 days ago

      “Our enemy”? Our enemy is the rich pedophiles who have given weapons to nazis, destroyed Ukrainian sovereignty, made opposing Palestinian genocide illegal and are hellbent on cooking the planet to death for oil money. That’s who the enemy is, not other proles who speak a different language than you.

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        26 days ago

        Are you unable to differentiate between Russia the state that is waging an illegal war in Ukraine, and the Russian people?

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          26 days ago

          If the amount of “fuck the orcs”, “shithole country”, and even “glass Russia” shit I’ve seen from The Good Guys™ in the past four years is any indicator, it is not the communists who have this problem.

          Most of you are still either denying or justifying the Ukrainian puppet government’s drone swarm attack on that boarding school that killed all those kids a few weeks ago. Most of you still outright deny the ethnic cleansing campaign in the Donbas region that kicked off this war in the first place.

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          The Russian people support the war. The narrative that the war is exclusively supported by Russian capitalists is wrong, even the CPRF supports the war.

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          Russia is not my enemy. The EU is my enemy.

          Russia won’t sanction me and freeze my accounts for saying something they don’t like. Russia doesn’t force neoliberal austerity on my country. Russia doesn’t take my tax money to give to genocidal Israelis and American weapons corporations.

          Russia has never done anything bad to me. The EU has.

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            LOL, Russia won’t sanction you, it will poison you or throw you out of a window.

            Russia is literally forcing austerity on the entire ukrainian nation.

            Putin is the richest russian, billionaire. Guess who gave him all that money?

            I don’t disagree with rich vs poor, but whitewashing Russia is just hilarious.

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              Russia hasn’t poisoned me or thrown me out of a window. Ukraine is a victim of Western meddling and of its own stupid, self-destructive decisions. I don’t care about Putin, he isn’t taking my money, my own government is. The billionaires and corporations that make my life worse are not in Russia, they are here in Europe and in the US.

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              It’s funny that you claim to care about the Skirpals, but you can’t even be bothered to remember the names of supposed victims of “Novichok poisoning”. Maybe I should be thankful for people like you. As long as you’re the main audience, the psyops will never be too complex, & will hammer on the same xenophobic tropes ad infinitum.

              The British government fucking poisoned the Skirpals I have a gajillion articles on it written by a dying 90-something CIA agent among other people. He is the coolest one though not the smartest.

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                Please do share some of those articles, because that exact topic is something I’ve been meaning to start researching for a while now.

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                  https://johnhelmer.net/category/skripal/

                  Aaaa double reminder it’s gonna be like 2am soon. I got distracted by everyone I feud with on social media having a meltdown over the Platner thing. In the meantime here read some of these, they get into the military rushing in to do the toxicology & the impossibility of a nerve agent being used to do the job, as well as the reasons the British govt would want to kill them.

                  The UI is terrible, the man is a “former” CIA agent, & the books are not on Anna’s Archive, overall his geopolitical analysis is crank shit. His breakdown of this case & a few other issues is excellent.

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                So Russia is no better than the west in the end? It’s imperialism vs imperialism?

                Thank you for this.

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          We’re not the EU. I’m just a person, but the people who threaten to kill me if I step out of line tell me to obey the EU, so I have to obey them. What’s good for the EU is not always what’s good for me, or vice versa. If something makes EU nations prosperous, or the EU as an organisation prosperous, then often that’s good for me, and often that prosperity is kept by a few oligarchs. The EU being able to criminalise true information is in no way good for me.

          The EU is the oligarchs who own me and you. If they want to make a nicer house and we live in their house, sometimes we get small benefits from their actions. But don’t fool yourself into thinking you own the house.

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          Yeah, Russia is EU’s enemy but only because EU, with US and Israeli help, keeps antagonizing Russia all the while criminalizing dissent and enforcing private surveillance panopticon and maintaining support to genocidal and openly fascist entities, eg. Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan. Through Ukraine EU and NATO engage in proxy war with Russia, and EU leaders seem intent on taking us all down with them in open war against Russia. Russia is not my enemy, Russia is the capitalists’ enemy!

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            Israel I can understand but what did Ukraine and Taiwan do? Not sure if I’m going to regret even asking given where this post is but I’m curious now.

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              Taiwan is the place where the fascist KMT fled after being beaten by the CPC in the civil war. They remained independent because as the PLA was preparing to liberate the island’s population the Korean War broke out, leading (eventually) to the creation of both ROK (South-Korea) and ROC (Taiwan). The PLA lacked strength to to do both I guess. Which is understandable ater fighting both the Japanese (though the KMT fought them also) and the KMT and remaining independent. On the KMT’s treatment of the local you can take a look at things like the February 28 Incident and the period of suppression by governmental forces known as White Terror and accompanied martial law that lasted from 19 May 1949 to 15 July 1987.

              Ukraine seems to be the latest in a long list of regimes that the NATO-countries (with full UN backing usually) have either created or armed to serve their capitalist class’ purposes in proxy wars meant to destabilize regions and topple enemy states. The methods of war may have evolved along the years, but they always achieve this locally by arming and enabling the local fascist and conservative elements, often in armed coup d’état, as was Ukraine’s case in 2014 with what is known as Euromaidan.

              My support for Russia is critical, as in I support it in the fight against imperialism but realize the state or its leaders are not socialist. I could support Ukraine if the people kicked out the fucking nazis in charge, but then again they’d need help doing it. I don’t believe that the people of Ukraine need any more war right now, though.

              Edit: for more on Ukraine