I like it very much, is a big step forward and Proto is a star company for European Tech industry
Did any paying customers of Proton asked for AI? Like one?
I prefer Lumo over ChatGPT and use it almost daily.
Me too. Honestly. But right now it’s subsidized, and Proton lose money every time we do. And the cost will not go down with the scale. Are you going to pay hundrets of dollar every month for it? At the end it’s “slightly more convenient search engine/brainstorming tool that usualy works”. It’s not like its worth nothing. But it’s not worth the fraction of the costs it generatete and the resources it consume.
But it’s true, it’s private and it probably isn’t optymized to farm engagment over anything else, and it’s less likely that it will advice me suicide over talking with somone else than it. So yes, I prefer it over ChatGPT as well.
Are you sure about that? I’ve been reading mixed information on how expensive it is to operate these chat bots, e.g. the cost of “inference”, when you don’t develop and maintain the actual models. Some claim inference is actually quite cheap. Not sure how that applies to Proton though, but as far as I understand Lumo is mostly a front end for some generally available models?
I think privacy is the biggest concern for users (as opposed the plethora of horrible problems AI brings to the world at large) with ChatGPT and similar services. I can see the market space for a privacy centered service.
That’s a fair question. Am I sure? No. The problem is that nobody is publishing explicitly about how expensive this all truly is (which is concerning on its own). But a lot of points are out in that direction. I think that “cost of inference” may be a fake metric on its own that it’s designed to obscure that you need multiple sub-queries to run one “thinking” query - but granted, I’m out of my depth, so I may be wrong here.
AI companies are running two arms races here: one: who can create a better model. two: who can create shitteir cheeper psudo-model that can pass as “AI” (which are also too expensive).
When you complain that those models can do anything useful, and it makes terrible mistakes, they reply that you don’t use the truly smart one. When you complain that there is no way that the smart one will ever be scalable because it’s crazy expensive, they tell you, “but look how much cheaper the ‘fast’ ones are”. Never truly addressing the questions, and bundling those so you are never sure which one youare using.
Does anyone successfully run this openy avaible models locally on their own machines? I’m seriously asking, since, as I unserstand that doesn’t work out as well as one would hope. That suggests that the resources required are still massive.
No shit, tech companies will hype their products? Great insight!
Haha so your response to my aqusation that you don’t do enought to stop the oppressor in your country is to go trought my profil and downvote every comment and post something mean about it? That’s great use.of.your time and energy. No wonder you have nohing more to spent on doing something against people braking your own constitution.
I went through and read and downvoted the ones I disagreed with, maybe half after checking context and am glad I did because of the 8 I went back you made the exact same argument 2 or 3 times. Blaming people for those that rule them. A standard that would discount any group of people, one fed to the weak minded to set people against each other and not unite against them, the oligarchy.
Everyone gets access to the base service and you pay separately for the advanced plan which is not included in their other service packages. I swear some people live to complain
What arey you talking about? Do you still belive in free launches? There is an opportunity cost to everything. My paid plan includ a resource-havy, going-nowhere technology that nobody was asking for, while the same resources could be spent on things that people ask for - like better gallery or better Linux support.
I don’t want my postmen to clean my windows even if he do it for free (for now). I just wonder who paid for his cleaning supplies while he’s mailbag is full of holes.
Lumo is standalone, freemium, no account or existing subscription required. It’s funded by premium users, not by your plan, nor is it part of it. Proton hasn’t increased the cost of their base services since 2023 and did so only once since their launch, Lumo launched mid-2025. Lumo’s open-source, no-logs and anonymous no account required free service is privacy-first AI done right… Always good to check your facts before applying your bias…
How was working on it founded before the first paying Lumo user?
(Edit: Also, behold the first profitable AI project in existence apparently)
It’s clearly not by increasing the price or your subscription. Why does it even concern you how it’s funded? They can reinvest their profits however they please. Next you’ll complain about their USD5M privacy charity contributions that didn’t go to the development of your package. YOU hate anything that carries the AI tag. Bias
