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10 years ago SD was called nazis too due to their politics, now S, M, KD, L even C, conduct more strict immigration politics than SD did 10 years ago. So that would make 78% of Swedens population Nazis.
Do you seriously believe that’s the case? I don’t. Every party you dont like isn’t nazis.
If there’s something you can admire SD for, it’s that they’ve always stuck to their roots. Unfortunately, their roots is literal nazism so it’s not something admirable.
I’m not arguing that S, M, KD, L, and C aren’t.
S is losing support because they’re abandoning their core values and moving further right.
C was lead for years by that Ayn Rand fangirl.
M, KD, and L are all super happy to partner up with SD, so yeah.
There are no good parties among the main parliamentary ones. V and MP are the most humane, and at the very least work against nazism, but they have their own fucked up quirks.
So in your view, They are all, also literal nazis then?
No good parties is highly subjective. Maybe no good parties for you. I don’t think ANY party in parliament is working for/with nazism. And I’d argue that V and MP are far from the most humane. They are both responsible for holding Sweden back several decades technologically. And the fantastic irony with MP is that most of their suggestions to make Sweden greener, has actually done the exact opposite. Not very humane in my book.
Naturally. For the most part, it’s all subjective.
They are both responsible for holding Sweden back several decades technologically.
I loathe MP’s stance on nuclear energy. I hate that they willingly throw the environment under the bus in their pursuit of dismantling our nuclear power grid. It’s bananas to me that they rather have gas power or rely on external non-renewables than have nuclear power.
I get that it’s a foundational ideal of theirs, but it’s idiotic and rooted in ignorant fearmongering and a denial of reality.
As for V, I dislike their core tenet of being anti the European Union. I think the EU is a fantastic coalition, and partaking in it, and actively working to improve it is a no-brainer.
Economically, I’m also pro moving to the Euro. I know we voted against it well over two decades ago, but at the time I wasn’t able to vote and it’s hardly fair that a vote that was cast so long ago should be binding today when the demographics are entirely different.
All the parties are cozying up to the idea of mass-surveillance, which is just a tiny skip away from full blown authoritarianism, and that’s worrying. Sure, V and MP have been a little outspoken against it, but their politics have been in favour of it. E.g. signing off on police having mass surveillance tools but basically putting forth the caveat that “it shouldn’t be abused plss” which is such a milquetoast weak-ass position it makes me want to hurl.
I genuinely don’t care to comment on the right block. They align with SD, and SD is and always have been nazis. Back in the 201Xs they mellowed out their rhetoric a bit, to be more palatable, but their politics always betrayed their roots. The overton window has shifted since however, and most of the parties are today where SD portrayed themselves back then.
So no, there is no party I can wholeheartedly agree with. V and MP are the ones pushing the politics I most agree with, but they also have massive ugly blemishes in their ideas that are hard to stomach.
It was a pleasent exchange. I don’t agree but i can fully understand why you think what you think.
And it’s generally difficult to find a party to align with. Personally I’m in the M block but mostly because i loathe V and MP and think they get far too much to say in an S led government.
10 years ago SD was called nazis too due to their politics, now S, M, KD, L even C, conduct more strict immigration politics than SD did 10 years ago. So that would make 78% of Swedens population Nazis.
Do you seriously believe that’s the case? I don’t. Every party you dont like isn’t nazis.
If there’s something you can admire SD for, it’s that they’ve always stuck to their roots. Unfortunately, their roots is literal nazism so it’s not something admirable.
I’m not arguing that S, M, KD, L, and C aren’t.
S is losing support because they’re abandoning their core values and moving further right.
C was lead for years by that Ayn Rand fangirl.
M, KD, and L are all super happy to partner up with SD, so yeah.
There are no good parties among the main parliamentary ones. V and MP are the most humane, and at the very least work against nazism, but they have their own fucked up quirks.
So in your view, They are all, also literal nazis then?
No good parties is highly subjective. Maybe no good parties for you. I don’t think ANY party in parliament is working for/with nazism. And I’d argue that V and MP are far from the most humane. They are both responsible for holding Sweden back several decades technologically. And the fantastic irony with MP is that most of their suggestions to make Sweden greener, has actually done the exact opposite. Not very humane in my book.
Naturally. For the most part, it’s all subjective.
I loathe MP’s stance on nuclear energy. I hate that they willingly throw the environment under the bus in their pursuit of dismantling our nuclear power grid. It’s bananas to me that they rather have gas power or rely on external non-renewables than have nuclear power.
I get that it’s a foundational ideal of theirs, but it’s idiotic and rooted in ignorant fearmongering and a denial of reality.
As for V, I dislike their core tenet of being anti the European Union. I think the EU is a fantastic coalition, and partaking in it, and actively working to improve it is a no-brainer.
Economically, I’m also pro moving to the Euro. I know we voted against it well over two decades ago, but at the time I wasn’t able to vote and it’s hardly fair that a vote that was cast so long ago should be binding today when the demographics are entirely different.
All the parties are cozying up to the idea of mass-surveillance, which is just a tiny skip away from full blown authoritarianism, and that’s worrying. Sure, V and MP have been a little outspoken against it, but their politics have been in favour of it. E.g. signing off on police having mass surveillance tools but basically putting forth the caveat that “it shouldn’t be abused plss” which is such a milquetoast weak-ass position it makes me want to hurl.
I genuinely don’t care to comment on the right block. They align with SD, and SD is and always have been nazis. Back in the 201Xs they mellowed out their rhetoric a bit, to be more palatable, but their politics always betrayed their roots. The overton window has shifted since however, and most of the parties are today where SD portrayed themselves back then.
So no, there is no party I can wholeheartedly agree with. V and MP are the ones pushing the politics I most agree with, but they also have massive ugly blemishes in their ideas that are hard to stomach.
It was a pleasent exchange. I don’t agree but i can fully understand why you think what you think.
And it’s generally difficult to find a party to align with. Personally I’m in the M block but mostly because i loathe V and MP and think they get far too much to say in an S led government.
Though i suspect you already figured as much.