Like genuinely, what third option do they see? I’m perfectly fine with countries not picking a side between the US and China, and just doing whatever they can to develop their countries. Unfortunately, the US isn’t okay its that and will force a country go “pick a camp” through its actions.
You either tow the imperialist line and get plundered or you chart your own path and find yourself obfuscated by every turn because of the US. Obviously any country in that situation is going to turn to China, Russia, and Iran, because you won’t find proper assistance from anywhere else.
I also don’t get how people can’t do a simple numbers games. Call me cold and calculating but the Western powers have objectively caused more death and destruction by a quantifiable margin then the “Eastern camp”. Yeah, yeah, whether it’s 1000 deaths vs 100,000 it’s still bad, and so forth, but genuinely, why would you ever allow yourself to support the guy pushing 100k over the other? Again I don’t mean to be cold, but it’s undeniable that 100k is a lot more then 1k, so how can you treat them equivalently, there’s a clear difference in multiples.
Another example, Westerns will talk about right of self determination while living on stolen indigenous land. Many of the native peoples who once lived in the US are literally extinct, their culture erased from the face of the earth. How the fuck can you sit there and use historical land claims for minirity groups against countries like Iran or China, which have cultures that literally span to the first human civilizations in history.
They see themselves as peak of Civilization and justify their actions by saying that if they quit it would get worse, therefore they believe they must continue. Emphasis on the word believe. They believe that there’s no point stopping what they’re doing, if someone else is just going to do the same thing.
They set the world on fire, but keeping it burning keeps them safe, so they don’t want to put out the fire, they find any justification necessary for that.
Arguing with them is really a futile effort, because if you ultimately take the argument to it’s conclusion you’re going to be called a Demagogue, a liar. It’s a never ending cat and mouse game. A labyrinth of lies.
Like genuinely, what third option do they see? I’m perfectly fine with countries not picking a side between the US and China, and just doing whatever they can to develop their countries. Unfortunately, the US isn’t okay its that and will force a country go “pick a camp” through its actions.
You either tow the imperialist line and get plundered or you chart your own path and find yourself obfuscated by every turn because of the US. Obviously any country in that situation is going to turn to China, Russia, and Iran, because you won’t find proper assistance from anywhere else.
I also don’t get how people can’t do a simple numbers games. Call me cold and calculating but the Western powers have objectively caused more death and destruction by a quantifiable margin then the “Eastern camp”. Yeah, yeah, whether it’s 1000 deaths vs 100,000 it’s still bad, and so forth, but genuinely, why would you ever allow yourself to support the guy pushing 100k over the other? Again I don’t mean to be cold, but it’s undeniable that 100k is a lot more then 1k, so how can you treat them equivalently, there’s a clear difference in multiples.
Another example, Westerns will talk about right of self determination while living on stolen indigenous land. Many of the native peoples who once lived in the US are literally extinct, their culture erased from the face of the earth. How the fuck can you sit there and use historical land claims for minirity groups against countries like Iran or China, which have cultures that literally span to the first human civilizations in history.
They see themselves as peak of Civilization and justify their actions by saying that if they quit it would get worse, therefore they believe they must continue. Emphasis on the word believe. They believe that there’s no point stopping what they’re doing, if someone else is just going to do the same thing.
They set the world on fire, but keeping it burning keeps them safe, so they don’t want to put out the fire, they find any justification necessary for that.
Arguing with them is really a futile effort, because if you ultimately take the argument to it’s conclusion you’re going to be called a Demagogue, a liar. It’s a never ending cat and mouse game. A labyrinth of lies.