• SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    4 days ago

    Their beliefs were not false.

    According to you. That’s why I said “evidently”. There is no evidence for those claims.

    James and Paul were basically skipping to get a CHANCE at disproving Christianity and they converted after investigating

    They were lied to like everyone else.

    His message was not even one of those things except dangerous (to the pharisees and rome). James and Paul converted after Jesus had been crucified, so how could they be convinced unless the risen Jesus came to them?

    Seizures. Liars. Some guy could have shown up and said “it’s me, the risen Jesus. Here’s how you can serve me going forward.”

    It is a dangerous message to all life because it is untrue. It’s a death cult.

    500 people hallucinated the same thing at once?

    No. We don’t have 500 eyewitness accounts. We have one guy (who made have had a medical problem) claiming there were 500 eyewitnesses. We don’t even have James’s account of seeing Jesus, do we?

    • root@lemmy.wtf
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      4 days ago
      1. Source for the lying claim?
      2. So someone that looked identical to Jesus, with two men wearing pearly white sitting in his tomb and saying “he is not here, he is risen”

      and why would Christ himself, if he was speaking falsehood, not say “I’m not God” before the pharisees and be pardoned? Why was he actually willing to endure inhumane torture instead of copping out?

      1. We do have 500 witnesses
      • SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        4 days ago

        Source for the lying claim?

        Magic isn’t real, dumbass dipshit.

        Source for literally any miracle?

        Source for literally any god?

        Fucking none. Real people die for your false beliefs. FUCKFACE.

        So someone that looked identical to Jesus

        Maybe, or just close enough, or Paul imagined it, or Paul made it up.

        with two men wearing pearly white sitting in his tomb and saying “he is not here, he is risen”

        Zero evidence that this took place.

        and why would Christ himself, if he was speaking falsehood

        Fuckface: by proclaiming himself christ, he is speaking falsehood. But he might not realize that he is lying because he’s fucking delusional.

        not say “I’m not God” before the pharisees and be pardoned?

        He was either huffing his own farts or trolling.

        Why was he actually willing to endure inhumane torture instead of copping out?

        Because he’s an idiot who didn’t think it would go that far.

        Why did he say, “my god, why have you forsaken me” if it was part of his plan and also he was god?

        We do have 500 witnesses

        No we don’t. We have Paul claiming there were 500 witnesses. Can you name 499 more?

        • root@lemmy.wtf
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          4 days ago
          1. What about the other Gospels?

          2. The Bible/ witness accounts of the women

          3. He is not

          4. “Trolling” to bear inhumane torture?

          5. He could’ve copped out ANY moment if he was speaking falsehood. No one had an agreeing testimony and he couldve just said so

          and to fulfill the Old Testament

          • SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            4 days ago

            What about the other Gospels?

            They contradict each other.

            The Bible/ witness accounts of the women

            If the account is even true, they found an empty grave.

            You want to pretend that them being women lends more credence because (quite sexistly) the opinions of women were not valued as much back then, but actually it just makes sense they would be first because women were responsible for tending graves.

            He is not

            You’re just making shit up as it suits you.

            Fuck yourself.

            “Trolling” to bear inhumane torture?

            No, dumb fuck. He was a short-sighted idiot high on his own farts.

            He could’ve copped out ANY moment if he was speaking falsehood. No one had an agreeing testimony and he couldve just said so

            Right, he was as dangerously delusional as you are.

            and to fulfill the Old Testament

            You keep saying that like it means anything. He’s fulfilling slave rape?

            It’s all bullshit, you stupid coward.

            A song for you. https://snoopsqueak.com/video/102

            • root@lemmy.wtf
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              7 hours ago

              Also, the old testament is in preparation for Christ, and he fulfilled it when he came down and was crucified

            • root@lemmy.wtf
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              7 hours ago
              1. they do not

              2. Jesus revealed himself to be risen to Mary Magdelene, a woman first.

              3. Im really not

              4. He could’ve copped out any SECOND but he chose to bear the torture. No one had agreeing testimony against him and he couldve just walked out

              • SnailMagnitude@mander.xyz
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                4 hours ago

                No one has any idea what the christos is, was, where it came from, where it went and what it all meant.

                We don’t know if the word was even flesh.

                You can just read a little 66 book bible and pretend it’s history.