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RubberDuck@lemmy.world to United Kingdom@feddit.ukEnglish · 2 days ago

Record number of people in UK live in ‘very deep poverty’, analysis shows

www.theguardian.com

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Record number of people in UK live in ‘very deep poverty’, analysis shows

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Joseph Rowntree Foundation finds problem is ‘deeper and more damaging than at any point in the last 30 years’
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    Retarded Brexit comment of the week 🎖️

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      https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/brexit-lies-and-rich-folk/

      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/03/observer-view-list-of-brexit-wins-is-in-short-and-feeble

      https://research-information.bris.ac.uk/files/100089116/4_Morgan_Glenn_1976_Brexit_1/_.pdf

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        https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD?locations=GB-DE-FR&start=2016

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          GDP per capita doesn’t contradict the statements of the sources I posted above since it’s a mean of economic activity and therefore, it does not allow any conclusions to be drawn about winners and losers among social groups after Brexit. Also interesting you chose ‘fixed 2015 US $’ when this was an all-time-high exchange rate (US $ - £) compared to the one in your selected time frame.

          https://www.cer.eu/insights/brexit-four-years-answers-two-trade-paradoxes

          https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/lessons-from-brexit-on-the-effects-of-trade-disintegration-20260116.html

          https://academic.oup.com/oxrep/article/38/1/82/6514758?login=false

          https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/slowing-economic-growth-brexit-and-the-productivity-challenge/

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            I didn’t choose the measure, the OBR did.

            Normalising in dollars is normal.

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              Yes it’s normal and usually makes sense. In this particular case, however, it distorts the data basis, as the UK GDP is valued higher than the two eurozone countries due to the very high reference exchange rate.

              And I said ‘you’ because you could have chosen other normalizations as well… yielding a different picture.

              For example you could normalize by annual % growth of GDP.

              https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?end=2024&locations=GB-DE-FR&start=2007

              (Side note: Thanks for the source, this database is amazing!)

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                Unfortunately that’s the only date the source provides on a constant dollar basis.

                Using today’s dollar shows the same thing, the UK is not performing any worse than its near peers.

                https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=GB-FR-DE&start=2016

                To be clear, I’m not suggesting Brexit has been an economic success, it wasn’t an economic decision, it was a political one.

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                  Makes sense. If nothing else is available, we have to work with what we have.

                  And thank you for the clarification. To clarify my point: I am not saying that Brexit was an absolute economic disaster… but that some wealthy Brexit supporters benefited disproportionately compared to the average citizen and therefore pushed forward the populist campaign that ultimately led to the exit.

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                    Yeah, the bets were in on the £ already as it was way overvalued.

                    The seeds of Brexit were sown when we didn’t get a referendum on Maastricht. That changed the game considerably and even further with Nice and Lisbon. It meant that regulating with common law would be replaced with Roman civil law, which is much more prescriptive and is unable to be changed by precedent.

                    I’m just in favour of decentralisation, every time power has been centralised in Europe it has ended badly.

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