They recruit 18 year olds and lie to them. No one tells them about the civilian casualties. They also recruit financially vulnerable kids who are facing touch choices about how to meet their needs. Obviously the US is the fucking death star, but many of the stormtroopers are brainwashed.
Shit, a lot of the stuff YOU think about the USSR, Cuba, and China is likely propaganda, and you have the benefit of knowing the US lies about its enemies and ignores the atrocities of its allies. What chance does an 18 year old have?
A podcast I listen to recently stated that between 10 and 20% of the North Korean population was killed by us bombing during the Korean war. 85% of buildings in the North were destroyed. They may have used more napalm there then in Vietnam. It was so indiscriminate that B-29 bombers were sent out with no targets, just told to go and bomb stuff.
It puts North Korea’s hatred of the Americans in a bit of context.
Okay so? They go back for 3 more slaughtering campaigns without ever questioning whether they are killing other people justly. You might as well argue the same thing for ISIS members.
The brainwashing only intensifies once they get to boot camp. But I take your point. I’m not trying to excuse the military, just saying things are complicated.
The problem is that after their mass murder campaigns the “leftie soldiers” complain about not getting enough compensation for doing mass murder.
They also spread the notion that the military should do a better job at killing armed resistance fighters and not just women and children, instead of realizing that the armed resistance is justified and US terrorists have no right to kill them either. As if a random Iraqi in the US can just walk up to a US soldier on a base and shoot them in the head and claim it’s “self defense because he was armed”.
Video for more context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdHH9c4ncKY
Nazis were “brainwashed” too, who gives a fuck lol
Average age of recruitment is 23 and middle class. Even a 12 year old knows what an army soldier does lmao. Why are we infantilizing grown men?
The increase in military recruitment age is a very recent development. It is typically closer to 18-19. Average age also varies by branch, with the Marine Corps having the youngest recruits, for example: https://www.stripes.com/branches/army/2025-05-14/army-older-recruits-17780089.html https://www.cna.org/pop-rep/2000/html/chapter2/c2_age.htm
Most have a high school diploma or GED, but a minority have any college experience: https://recruiting.army.mil/pao/facts_figures/
Couple this with the fact that armed service members recently got a pay raise during the Trump administration: https://usafacts.org/articles/is-military-enlistment-down/
Even a 12 year old knows what an army soldier does lmao. Why are we infantilizing [sic] grown men?
Yes, these are young men and women, but let’s not be so quick to judge. Our culture praises joining the military as a noble sacrifice (e.g. “Thank you for your service”), portrays America as the “good guys” on the world stage, and gives financial incentives (e.g., college, home loans, business loans, etc). It is a trap designed for the working class to fuel the military industrial complex and further US imperialism.
Nazis were also young and lived in a culture that praised their military… Do you make the same excuses for them?
Edit: They were never heard from again…
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All I see in this post is someone being butt hurt that another person did a bad thing and then did better.
You’re not morally superior because you figured it out sooner.
Celebrate when people improve. Help them improve faster. Whine when you’re dead.
When did they improve? They advocate for more money to the military and want more treats for their fellow mass murderers.
You are creating a strawman that is inherently self contradictory.
In this hypothetical If they really are a radicalized former soldier who becomes a leftist, then why would they advocate for more money to the military?
Because for them imperialism is only bad when the US doesn’t benefit from it.
Here’s the “strawmen” you think don’t exist:
Example 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zb6fZCqdrQ
Example 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdHH9c4ncKY
Here’s the “strawmen” you think don’t exist:
I didn’t claim those people don’t exist, nor did I claim to support them. You are the one who is claiming that those are the only types of radicalized veterans, which is simply untrue.
For example Michael Prysner is the type of veteran I have been talking about.
The OP is talking about veterans who have been “radicalized”, i.e. turned leftist. I see that as an improvement. Don’t you?
Did they turn into leftists? Or did they turn the “left” into supporting mass murderers?
Silence, .ml troll
I mean… This is a bad take on several levels, one being that radicalized soldiers have been the backbone of every left winged revolution in history.
If the Soviet would have rejected the help of people who served the Russian empire it would have never taken off.
I hate the amount of people there seem to be on here who constantly try to shrink the tent of people who can be “real leftist”. It’s counter revolutionary to believe that people cannot change for the better.
Are the “radicalized” soldiers in the room with us?
Except the “radicalized soldiers” aren’t running a revoution. They are trying to reform the system to get more treats for their fellow mass murderers and are proudly boasting about how they did epic war crimes and how much they suffer from it.
No one is currently running a revolution…?
Also, the vast majority of people in the military aren’t in combat positions. And if we are equating all military members as mass murderers for aiding the war effort then every citizen who pays taxes in a NATO country is just as culpable.
You can’t just selectively apply nuance when it suits your opinion.
Also, the vast majority of people in the military aren’t in combat positions.
Wow they’re just desk job Nazi’s. Or logistics Nazi’s. This makes everything different!
Can you apply the same to ICE? Because it sure seems to me the crux of every single of your arguments is that white lives are superior and killing brown civilians is totally fine because they’re expendable.
Paying taxes is the same as joining ICE everyone!
Wow they’re just desk job Nazi’s. Or logistics Nazi’s. This makes everything different!
So just ignoring the rest of the argument? So you’re not paying for the Nazis in anyway? The citizens who paid for the resources the military used were still Nazis as well… Again you can’t just choose when and where to insert nuance.
This is why nuance is important. I’m not claiming that we should equate all levels of support as the same, that your argument. My example shows how doing so is illogical. There is a difference between a veteran who is still a chud and a veteran who is radicalized against his own service.
Can you apply the same to ICE?
If a person who was in ice became a leftist that helped fight ice that would be great. What is the alternative?
is that white lives are superior and killing brown civilians is totally fine because they’re expendable.
Lol, I’m not white and when did I say I support the military? I support people who are radicalized against the military, even if they formerly served it.
Paying taxes is the same as joining ICE everyone!
Again, that is an example I used to show you how ignoring nuance is bad…
Reading comprehension is something you may want to work on.
If a person who was in ice became a leftist that helped fight ice that would be great. What is the alternative?
No they want better benefits for ICE agents. They don’t want to fight ICE.
For context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zb6fZCqdrQ
No they want better benefits for ICE agents. They don’t want to fight ICE.
Lol, that’s a strawman of your own making.
I didn’t say i would support an ice agent who only criticized ice because they want more benefits. I said I would support an ice agent if they were actually radicalized to fight against ice because their service illuminated them about class consciousness.
Again, you are just exercising a logical fallacy.
Oh can you find me the “leftist veteran” which advocates against more benefits for veterans? Sure seems like one of us is strawmanning here. What’s that in the comment above, are those… examples?
Also, the vast majority of people in the military aren’t in combat positions
Yeah, Nazis also had secretaries…
And the citizens who funded the Nazi military were also Nazi…
My point is that without some level of nuance anyone who pays taxes to a NATO government is in some way culpable for the crimes against the Iraqi and Afghan people.
We need to have the nuance to say that a veteran who has been radicalized against American imperialism is infact better than a veteran who is still a right winged chud.
“Progressives” absolutely embarrassing themselves on this topic. US vets are murderers and will certainly burn in hell if there is one. They deserve every bit of their PTSD.
I am very very tired of leftists smugposting from their moral superiority throne.
I’m very tired of neocons making excuses for mass murderers.
Maybe it’s because I am not in the imperial core, but I know exactly zero radicalized soldiers.
Same. The only thing they seem to want is more benefits for veterans AKA themselves because they believe they deserve more compensation for their mass murder.
Historically there’s been a lot of veterans who were radicalized by their service, notably a lot of veterans who joined the Black Panthers after Vietnam.
I personally know a few veterans who serve in Iraq and Afghanistan that are great organizers who do classes at our socialist gun club. I can bet they have done more than you to aid the leftist movement by helping create mutual aid and defense networks for leftist minority groups in the American South.
For a less anecdotal example Michael Prysner is a foundational member of the Party for Socialism and Liberation.
The black and white absolutism that people like to flaunt around here is just immature, and reeks of privilege.
On September 19, 2021, Prysner interrupted former U.S. President George W. Bush’s speech in Beverly Hills, California.[18][19] Prysner demanded an apology for lying about weapons of mass destruction, connections to 9/11, and causing the deaths of a million Iraqis. He stated “You sent me to Iraq” and “My friends are dead because you lied.”[19]
Can you see the problem with this statement? If not please read the post.
Also lmao
Can you see the problem with this statement? If not please read the post
Does your brain only think in logical fallacy?
You can be upset at you and your friends being exploited and the deaths of millions of people as well. He didn’t just speak about himself and his friends…
Also, there is no information about a “pact of silence”. You are using a quote from a meme account who is quoting an editorialized threads account as a citation.
Also sorry if I find a dude who founded an anti war coalition and one of the most successful anti Zionist leftist party in America more credible than badempanda an imperialist apologist and transphobe.
Alright so no arguments only adhominems and circlejerking about a US mass murderer. And soms good old pinkwashing to top it off.
Your entire argument is based solely on attacking peoples character and ignoring arguments…
You havent made a single rebuttal to any point I’ve made other than responding with logical fallacy. To be honest it wasn’t even an ad hominem, it’s a legitimate question at this point. It’s like you were built in a lab and designed to make illogical arguments.
Even this rebuttal is a logical fallacy. You are accusing me of not addressing arguments as a way to ignore the argument!
I have countered every response, claim by claim… What are you talking about?
I’m tired of all this purity testing of leftist political candidates. Anyone who says they’re a socialist should be taken at their word and none of their actions, views, or personal history should be considered. We need to elect anyone we’re told to and never hold them to account if we want to effect real change. If you think we shouldn’t prop up serial killers as our only candidates in a primary election then you’re just a virtue-signalling tankie
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Every time there’s a hit article on a progressive figure
Who is the progressive figure in this case? AFAICT BadEmpanada is vagueposting about unspecified veterans.
I do not think this is being done in good faith.
What do you think it’s being done in?
“Every time there’s “leftists” glorifying a mass murderer it’s that guy”
You can hit the block button on my username and glorify them in peace.
